View Poll Results: Does institutional racism currently exist in America?

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  • Yes, in quite a few places, but not everywhere.

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  • For the most part, no. It exists but is rare.

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Thread: Institutional Racism [W:344]

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Welcome to america. I should warn ya, though, security is tight. No way you will get that log passed TSA.
    Huh? Guess I just hit the language barrier.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    it didn't stop Barry Soetoro's rise to power.
    And it doesn't stop Barry and company from exploiting race whenever it suits their purpose.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Does institutional racism currently exist in America?
    Yes, it exists and it is rampant. We've pushed most forms of overt racism to the margins of society. However, institutional racism still dominates society. It dominates the media in addition to the judicial, educational and other aspects of government. It also plays a huge role in how people relate to each other and perceive themselves. It's pervasive in American society.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    As long as we continue to make race an issue, racism will always be an issue.
    Sounds like: "If we don't talk about race, racism will go away." Is that an accurate interpretation of your comment?

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Huh? Guess I just hit the language barrier.
    First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will be able see clearly to take the speck out of your brotherís,
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    It's rampant, especially if one uses the definition from the OP.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Stop advantaging pupils of parents with an elevated social background? Since the majority of our schools are public, there's no such thing. Pupils are "advantaged," mostly, because their parents actually give a damn.
    In Germany, almost *all* schools are public. So this alone is not the problem.

    The debate here goes even further. A common argument is that many teachers, usually stemming from a upper-middle class native background, involuntarily prefer pupils with a similar attitude, such as eloquent manner of speaking, good habits and so on -- and just punish those students with troubled homes or certain deficits with bad grades, instead of doing their job by giving them special care and support.

    And then, our school system is under heavy criticism. It's way too easy for teachers to just ignore and "punish" problem students. And there is a certain social selection early on, too early as many say, as after 4 or 6 years of common elementary school respectively (depending on the state), the pupils are selected to three different levels of high school: Either the highest "gymnasium" (which ends with university qualification exams), or two years fewer on "Realschule" or "Hauptschule" (lowest level). It's relatively hard to climb from a lower school form to the next higher school form. So basically, the carreer fate of many pupils is determined after the 4th grade already.

    In my experience, while the "Gymnasium" is not a bad kind of high school, I see the way they're teaching disadvantages both students with below average and above average performance, or students with certain problems or troubles ... compare that to the extensive care they're giving each individual case in countries like Finland or Sweden, and I have the impression we're wasting a lot of potential here.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will be able see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s,
    -- mathew, something or other.
    Sorry if I hurt your nationalistic feelings, by implying that even non-Americans might be able to comment on American topics.

    Just tought it might be beneficial for all of us if we exchanged experiences. My bad.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    For that specific example, how much of it is racism and how much of it is the rap/hip-hop culture that shuns learning and real work and berates blacks who are trying as being "too white" for trying to succeed?
    1. That's a very (pervasive) surface analysis of hip-hop and rap. Rap, like every other form of art, tells stories. It is a reflection of the environment it is coming from. Therefore, to hold art responsible for inequality is wrongheaded. Such art may perpetuate problems that are already there, but it does not cause them. Therefore, the more important question to ask is why are the problems that rap and hip-hop describe there in the first place.

    2. You are correct that some factions within hip-hop culture berate successful blacks as "too white." It is, however, inaccurate to generalize the culture as doing that as a whole. More than that, some people in White culture berate people who try to succeed as well. For examples, look at how many so-called "nerds" are treated in predominantly white environments. You can also look at how much of the right denigrates higher education. In other words, anti-success sentiments are pervasive in America, period. Because it isn't a uniquely Black American problem, it isn't a valid explanation for why black Americans, in particular, are unequal in society.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Sorry if I hurt your nationalistic feelings, by implying that even non-Americans might be able to comment on American topics.

    Just tought it might be beneficial for all of us if we exchanged experiences. My bad.
    I can assure you, it's pretty much impossible to hurt my feelings. I never implied you shouldn't comment on american topics. i hoped to show you how you, quite unfiarly, jumped to the conclusion that racism exists in the USa, but you freely equivocate when it comes to turks, citing cultural issues/ hence the comment WELCOME TO AMERICA. As in, you are in the same place we are.
    Last edited by vendur; 05-30-13 at 11:14 AM.

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