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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    1.)Hmmm... So why account for them according to race, gender, etc..?

    2.)Indeed, wouldn't such accounting lend itself to accusations of discrimination in any potential lawsuit?
    1.) common sense LMAO
    the same reason we account for the other things, so we know are demographics and how we appeal to the the work force and how to be a better company.
    Maybe its not common sense for you because you are obviously uneducated about this particular topic, i dont know but its common sense, anybody educated in this area understands the why you need to account your work force.


    2.) No unless it was a piss poor lawsuit and the judge and jury were morons.
    accounting alone isnt PROOF of any right or wrong doing, nobody smart would think that.

    for a made up example

    If my company was being accused of racism and i presented in court the fact that we have 3 black people working for us, one who is a supervisor and thats ALL i presented, that would make me a complete moron and i would deserve fired for being so stupid. Not only that if the was REAL evidence against us and that was my only counter we would lose LOL

    thats the equivalent of the racists saying "what i had a black friend high school"

    again you have nothing
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) common sense LMAO
    Common sense?.... Sorry, but "common sense" does not suffice as an answer. Any employer who was genuinely unbiased would have no "common sense" reason to account for race, gender, etc..

    Are you absolutely certain that there is not a more specific reason for the collection of such data, given the fact that you are a "key member of recruiting and hiring" at your place of business? More to the point, have you ever even heard of the EEOC?
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    1.)Common sense?.... Sorry, but "common sense" does not suffice as an answer. Any employer who was genuinely unbiased would have no "common sense" reason to account for race, gender, etc..

    2.)Are you absolutely certain that there is not a more specific reason for the collection of such data, given the fact that you are a "key member of recruiting and hiring" at your place of business?

    3.) More to the point, have you ever even heard of the EEOC?
    1.) WOW?

    well you just proved how little you know when it comes to this and how severely uneducated you are about this topic.

    did you just suggest it wouldnt benefit a company to know if their work force was young, old, black, white, highly educated, HS educated, single parents, married, women, men etc etc etc

    That would be VERY stupid for a company not to know, there is no t one logical reason you could give not to know that answer. Obviously you are very young or just seriously ignorant to how knowing that info is important.

    2.) yep, positive because im educated on how that info works and how its beneficial, see answer 1 lol

    3.) yep i referred to that earlier and posted links LMAO

    you still got nothing

    fact remains my company has ZERO qoutas and Quotas are illegal and have nothing to do with AA/EO.

    Please continue though since these fact will not change
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) WOW?

    well you just proved how little you know when it comes to this and how severely uneducated you are about this topic.

    did you just suggest it wouldnt benefit a company to know if their work force was young, old, black, white, highly educated, HS educated, single parents, married, women, men etc etc etc

    That would be VERY stupid for a company not to know, there is no t one logical reason you could give not to know that answer. Obviously you are very young or just seriously ignorant to how knowing that info is important.

    2.) yep, positive because im educated on how that info works and how its beneficial, see answer 1 lol

    3.) yep i referred to that earlier and posted links LMAO

    you still got nothing

    fact remains my company has ZERO qoutas and Quotas are illegal and have nothing to do with AA/EO.

    Please continue though since these fact will not change

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    .....People can "not know and care about" other individuals for any numbers of reasons beyond race.
    That is why I used the word bigotry instead of racism. An example: the difference in the response to 9/11 versus Katrina. In general, people were more concerned and generous in their response to the 9/11 victims than the Katrina victims because of the perceived difference in race and class. The 9/11 victims were considered "like us," but not the Katrina victims.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    What part of "sanctioned by the government" do you not understand? Just because no actual number is named for the quota, that doesn't mean an implicit number is not required to avoid all manners of penalties and public defamation of whatever company is in question. The government can send someone into a business and tell them they lack diversity - guess what? You now have an implicit quota. AA / EO are the movements that whine to the government in the first place and the get the ball rolling.
    Most of the time prosecuted illegal discrimination is verified by testing the suspect company by having several candidates of different races (or other types of groups) with histories that are equal, or the minority person is more qualified, apply for the same jobs, loans etc. That provides proof that the company discriminates by race rather than any other objective criteria.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Black America vs. Obama?

    Though 10 percent of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 percent of U.S. government workers. They are 25 percent of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 percent of the State Department, 37 percent of Department of Education employees and 38 percent of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 percent of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 percent of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 percent at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.
    That does not support your assertion.


    African Americans are also over represented in the military (24% in 2000) which does not practice affirmative action in recruitment since they take virtually all applicants.

    The statistsics you provided are only meaningful if it takes into consideration the race of the job applicants. It could be that the demographics of the applicants match that of the employees. The disparity may also be a result of discrimination in the private sector. One of the reasons that many African Americans are federal government employees is because it was one of the first large employers to end racial discrimination. Some families have a tradition of federal employment, just as there are still a disproportionate number of Irish police officers and firefighters in many places. Also, many of the jobs working with subsidized housing or prisoners may be avoided by whites. The required education level or experience for many of these government jobs may be well suited to the African American applicants. There is also the large percentage of African Americans in Washington D.C.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That does not support your assertion.


    African Americans are also over represented in the military (24% in 2000) which does not practice affirmative action in recruitment since they take virtually all applicants.

    The statistsics you provided are only meaningful if it takes into consideration the race of the job applicants. It could be that the demographics of the applicants match that of the employees. The disparity may also be a result of discrimination in the private sector. One of the reasons that many African Americans are federal government employees is because it was one of the first large employers to end racial discrimination. Some families have a tradition of federal employment, just as there are still a disproportionate number of Irish police officers and firefighters in many places. Also, many of the jobs working with subsidized housing or prisoners may be avoided by whites. The required education level or experience for many of these government jobs may be well suited to the African American applicants. There is also the large percentage of African Americans in Washington D.C.
    The government isn't a small business. Their applicant pool is large enough that it will be representative of the general population. The military will be a different issue because of the inherent hazards and restrictions that will prevent many from participating. But the government is an employer with all the same benefits and compensation (which is usually highly inflated) of the average private employer, so their overall pool of applicants will closely reflect pool of american workers. Since the numbers are skewed so heavily towards minorities, it is reasonable conclusion to state there is a bias with in the government.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    For that specific example, how much of it is racism and how much of it is the rap/hip-hop culture that shuns learning and real work and berates blacks who are trying as being "too white" for trying to succeed? See Bill Cosby's various speeches on the culture issue. While I will not dismiss racism from the equation, such culture cannot be dismissed either. I'd like to see a good non-biased study done to see which is the higher influence and also if that could shift from area to area (i.e. the culture is the higher influence in large metro areas, while racism is the higher in more rural areas, as a potential result)
    Hi, this is no longer the 1990s, hip-hop culture is now broken off into multiple subgroups of their own. Bill Cosby is an old man who hasn't seen a black person since the 80s. He got rich by playing the stereotypical black father figure who was 5 paces from black face. Please, join the rest of us in 2013. There is no such thing as a singular 'hip-hop' culture anymore.
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