2.) i have no argument at all. I simply stated the fact that quotas are illegal and they have nothign to do with AA/EO
3.) not maybe, its a fact
4.) they arent being ignored at all, i just pointed out what people were labeling wrong.
5.) it does support the FACTS not me
6.) you are free to have that opinion but correcting a mistake and being accurate has an impact on discussions.
If one would like to talk about unfair practices people do that fine by me, but one you claim its AA/EO they are factually wrong.
you point is meaningless
there are cops out there that feel it a necessity to break the law to enforce it, that doesnt mean its right or thats how the law works nor does it change the definition.
I dont ignore it, i focus on it and expose it for what it actually is, reality and facts dont care about peoples feelings/opinions
I didn't suggest that "blacks have significantly more clinical experience." I said that it's possible that they have such experiences among other advantages that you aren't privy to since you didn't see their applications. That's you putting words in my mouth again - more dishonesty, less integrity.You're the one who suggested that blacks have significantly more clinical experience. I've only stated facts, you're the one coming up with alternative theories without offering any support for them.
Like I said, admissions offices have a cutoff for MCAT and GPA. Everyone who makes the cutoff is evaluated individually. You're assuming that race, not any of the multiple other factors, is what admissions officers are considering at the expense of everything else. You're assuming that blacks aren't outperforming whites (in the eyes of admissions officers) in other areas. That is your assumption. Nothing more.The fact of the matter here is that MCAT scores and GPA scores are the two biggest factors in determining acceptance. No such data exists on the "amount of clinical experience or research" gets one into med school by race. Not to mention, the differences in the acceptance rates between different ethnic groups is so staggering, even a minor difference in clinical experience isn't enough to explain it. The only explaination when grinding the statistics is that race is playing some factor into determining acceptance.
Those stats don't prove anything. The conclusion the guy reaches is, again, an assumption. Both you and him are seeing what you want to see.Acceptance rates at US medical schools between 2010-2012 reveal racial preferences for blacks and Hispanics | AEIdeas
Also, it is abundantly clear whenever states adopt a ban on race conscious admissions (which you refuse to state if you are for or against), the enrollment of minorities drop.
Fact is, you're treating assumptions as facts and then whining because I'm calling you out for it. Another fact: you're getting pissy with me because I don't play red herring games. Cry harder.I couldn't find a study that only looked at the Med schools in these states, so this will have to do.
Fact is, you won't come out and support race-neutral policies on graduate acceptance programs because you know affirmative action is playing a role here.
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