View Poll Results: Does institutional racism currently exist in America?

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Affirmative action is all about meeting a quota. IT is no longer necessary. Employers HAVE to hire a certain number of minorities, especially in the construction industry.

    Affirmative Action: Twenty-five Years of Controversy

    Time has not quelled controversy over policies of preferential treatment. First instituted in the 1960s and 1970s by employers and educational institutions in response to pressures from civil rights groups, federal legislation, and court rulings, preferential treatment programs seek to rectify the effects of past and ongoing discrimination against women and racial minorities. These programs are designed as temporary measures to increase the employment and educational opportunities available to qualified women and minorities by giving them preference in hiring, promotion, and admission. Toward this goal, some firms and institutions aggressively recruit minorities and women, others set numerical targets and timetables to raise the level of minority and female representation, and still others establish quotas to hire or admit a specified number of minority and female candidates.
    again you are 100% wrong

    QOUTAS are illegal in the US, this fact will not change

    any QOUTAS a company sets up they are doing on thier own and they are breakign the law if caught, they can CALL it AA/EO all they want it is factually not true

    Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Law regarding quotas and affirmative action varies widely from nation to nation. Caste based quotas are used in Reservation in India. However, they are illegal in the United States, where no employer, university, or other entity may create a set number required for each race.[6]
    AA is EO
    http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/compliance/aa.htm
    Executive Order numerical goals do not create set-asides for specific groups, nor are they designed to achieve proportional representation or equal results.
    and AA/EO is
    The contractor will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex or national origin.
    Sorry, like i said you simply dont understand what AA/EE FACTUALLY is.

    many people have programs that they call AA/EO but that doesnt make it true.

    The fact remains colleges and employers have broken the law and been found guilty for having qoutas.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    again you are 100% wrong

    QOUTAS are illegal in the US, this fact will not change

    any QOUTAS a company sets up they are doing on thier own and they are breakign the law if caught, they can CALL it AA/EO all they want it is factually not true

    Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    AA is EO
    http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/compliance/aa.htm


    and AA/EO is


    Sorry, like i said you simply dont understand what AA/EE FACTUALLY is.

    many people have programs that they call AA/EO but that doesnt make it true.

    The fact remains colleges and employers have broken the law and been found guilty for having qoutas.
    That might be what they claim, but a lot of places do hire by quota to avoid problems. It doesn't even matter if a person is a good worker or even if he/she is qualified, only that they are a minority.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Look at the statistics. A black who gets into Med school averages a 27 MCAT and just over 3.3 GPA while a white needs a 31 and just over a 3.6. If that isn't affirmative action, then I don't know what is. But whatever that is, is wrong.
    That's not evidence that blacks and whites are held to different standards. It's evidence that blacks and whites have different average MCAT scores and GPAs and that med schools take more than MCATs and GPAs into account. The fact is that medical schools eliminate applicants automatically based on minimum GPA and MCAT scores. After that, they look at everything else including race. You're assuming that the only difference between blacks and whites is scores when it's possible that blacks have better recommendations, research experience, internships or other more subjective qualifications. You're just making an assumption based on a surface analysis.

    Also, Asians get better scores than Whites. Does that mean Whites are held to a lower standard too?

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That might be what they claim, but a lot of places do hire by quota to avoid problems. It doesn't even matter if a person is a good worker or even if he/she is qualified, only that they are a minority.

    those places can CLAIM what ever they like the facts dont change.
    By definition they are not practicing AA/EO and they are breaking the law.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    those places can CLAIM what ever they like the facts dont change.
    By definition they are not practicing AA/EO and they are breaking the law.
    That's what affirmative action does. It is to benefit a certain group or groups of people, regardless of merit usually.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'm saying, a song that is meant to be understood at a superficial level only represents society at that superficial level.
    Okay, well my point is that just because a piece of music is superficial does not mean the analysis of it has to be.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's what affirmative action does. It is to benefit a certain group or groups of people, regardless of merit usually.
    as already proven with facts and links your statement is 100% false
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Some other reasons to be against AA.

    Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Prominent people against affirmative action [edit]
    Conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, the only current black Justice, opposes affirmative action. He believes the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids consideration of race, such as race-based affirmative action or preferential treatment. He also believes it creates "a cult of victimization" and implies blacks require "special treatment in order to succeed". Thomas also cites his own experiences of affirmative action programs as a reason for his criticism.[43][44]

    Libertarian economist Thomas Sowell identified what he says are negative results of affirmative action in his book, Affirmative Action Around the World: An Empirical Study.[45] Sowell writes that affirmative action policies encourage non-preferred groups to designate themselves as members of preferred groups [i.e. primary beneficiaries of affirmative action] to take advantage of group preference policies; that they tend to benefit primarily the most fortunate among the preferred group (e.g., upper and middle class blacks), often to the detriment of the least fortunate among the non-preferred groups (e.g., poor white or Asian); that they reduce the incentives of both the preferred and non-preferred to perform at their best the former because doing so is unnecessary and the latter because it can prove futile thereby resulting in net losses for society as a whole; and that they engender animosity toward preferred groups as well.[46]

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some other reasons to be against AA.

    Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Prominent people against affirmative action [edit]
    Conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, the only current black Justice, opposes affirmative action. He believes the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids consideration of race, such as race-based affirmative action or preferential treatment. He also believes it creates "a cult of victimization" and implies blacks require "special treatment in order to succeed". Thomas also cites his own experiences of affirmative action programs as a reason for his criticism.[43][44]

    Libertarian economist Thomas Sowell identified what he says are negative results of affirmative action in his book, Affirmative Action Around the World: An Empirical Study.[45] Sowell writes that affirmative action policies encourage non-preferred groups to designate themselves as members of preferred groups [i.e. primary beneficiaries of affirmative action] to take advantage of group preference policies; that they tend to benefit primarily the most fortunate among the preferred group (e.g., upper and middle class blacks), often to the detriment of the least fortunate among the non-preferred groups (e.g., poor white or Asian); that they reduce the incentives of both the preferred and non-preferred to perform at their best — the former because doing so is unnecessary and the latter because it can prove futile — thereby resulting in net losses for society as a whole; and that they engender animosity toward preferred groups as well.[46]
    That doesnt give me one reason to be against it because they are talking about the same thing i am. Negative affects and people practicing it WRONG and not actually doing it the correct way.

    TO me this logic on the level of being again cops because there are bad cops, thats just silly.

    Its pros out weigh its cons and the reality is AA/EO benefits us all by definition, all races, genders, ages etc
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    again you are 100% wrong

    QOUTAS are illegal in the US, this fact will not change

    any QOUTAS a company sets up they are doing on thier own and they are breakign the law if caught, they can CALL it AA/EO all they want it is factually not true

    Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    AA is EO
    http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/compliance/aa.htm


    and AA/EO is


    Sorry, like i said you simply dont understand what AA/EE FACTUALLY is.

    many people have programs that they call AA/EO but that doesnt make it true.

    The fact remains colleges and employers have broken the law and been found guilty for having qoutas.
    Quotas are de jure illegal. Obviously, they are a de facto ingredient in the regular application of any Affirmative Action policy. Otherwise, there would be no practical way of implementing it.

    I don't suppose you believe that companies and institutions arrive at their minority "target goals" by way of a Ouija board, do you?
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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