View Poll Results: Does institutional racism currently exist in America?

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    beats me! I'll get on this windowdressing guy right away to provide a link! (And what kind of a moniker is "windowdressing?")
    Thanks, I appreciate it. I think if you just PM him, he'll do a better job. I would do it, but I don't know how.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Data from NYPD study - "The analysis of 2012 statistics provided by the Public Advocate’s office shows that the likelihood that an African American detained for search would be found in possession of a weapon was half that of a white person.

    Specifically, the New York Police Department uncovered a weapon in one out of every 49 stops of white New Yorkers, while for Latinos a weapon was found for every 71 stops, and for African Americans that number was 93 stops.

    Meanwhile, the likelihood that a stop of an African American New Yorker would yield contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped"
    Cool, so they got stopped, held up, and then were free to go when innocent. Is that the big bad wolf of racism, that it unfairly wastes people's time?

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    The rap and hip-hop genres and the rap and hip-hop cultures are two different thing. I could point to Will Smith and note how upbeat and positive his rap is and the extreme lack of cuss words in his music. It's sub genres like gansta and others which are more pervasive than the tamer sub genres that have a holding back influence on many, especially those in the inner city and similar situations. Of course there then there is the tendency of such styles to to promote negative words and ideas like "nigger". Seriously, you can't claim "nigger" to be a racist word and then use it left and right.
    Actually, words can have different meanings in different contexts so "nigger" can be racist in certain context and not in others. That's not even an argument. That's literally just a fact.

    The rest of your comments about sub genres of rap don't counter anything that I said. Again, art is primarily a reflection of the environment that it comes from. As a result, it, at most, perpetuates problems in the black population. Therefore, positing that rap or hip-hop music and culture cause hurt blacks more than institutional racism doesn't make any sense.

    You'll note that I did not generalized the culture as a whole. I noted it's influence and asked how much weight does it have.
    Actually, you did generalize the culture as whole. You said, "it is the rap/hip-hop culture that shuns learning and real work and berates blacks who are trying as being "too white" for trying to succeed". You described the culture as one that shins learning and real work and berates blacks as being "too white." That's a generalization. I corrected it.

    I'd like some samples of the "right" denigrating higher education.
    I don't believe you're unaware of how common denigrating higher education as "liberal indoctrination" is among conservatives, so you can find your own "samples".

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why don't people post LINKS???

    NYC stop-and-frisk data: Whites more likely to carry weapons and drugs ? RT USA
    \but look up the report to make sure the reporting is accurate ...

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Superficial music is meant to be judged superficially. Deep music is meant to be judged deeply. If a superficial song isn't offensive on a superficial level, it isn't my place to make a spectacle of myself talking about how a superficial song secretly has some subconscious, deep meaning that reflects a flawed society.
    No, superficial things are still reflections of society. It's actually a good thing to recognize that and look beyond the surface of things to get a better understanding of where they are coming from. In any case, thank you for letting me know that you don't do critical thinking. It make a lot of sense and it will save me some time.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Does institutional racism currently exist in America?
    Being a white guy, what the hell would I know?

    It is my opinion, and based on what I am told by my non-white friends, things are better than they used to be.










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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    NYC stop-and-frisk data: Whites more likely to carry weapons and drugs ? RT USA
    \but look up the report to make sure the reporting is accurate ...
    Thanks, WD. I'm messin' with ya'. Appreciate the link. I'm glad you posted this -- it's shocking, really:

    “Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.”

    Meanwhile, in a separate analysis by the New York Civil Liberties Union of these same statistics, the group revealed that out of 532,911 stop-and-frisk searches in 2012, just 729 guns were found.
    In my opinion, the city loses this case.

    n March, following evidence provided by a leaked recording, Officer Pedro Serrano, an 8-year veteran of the New York Police Department testified that during a meeting with Deputy Inspector Christopher McCormick he was told in no uncertain terms what individuals to focus his duties on. “I don’t have any trouble telling you this: male blacks 14 to 20, 21,” said McCormick.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    They are your concern. Imagine your personal work position. Imagine your boss came in and told you "sorry, you're a really really hard worker, but we feel like we really need to have a black in your position so we can meet our diversity quota, we have to let you go." How would you feel? Honestly? If you were being judged based on something other then your personal ability and work ethic that you can't control, that wouldn't make you resentful?
    That's not affirmative action. That's illegal. That's also the kind of strawman that people who don't understand affirmative action and similar policies come up with to argue against something that nobody was arguing for in the first place. Try again.

    But to hold students to a different standard completely based on race?
    That's not what affirmative action is. Try again.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Re. underfunding of schools in low income communities

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    That's a ****ty policy, but not because it's in anyway racist. It affects all people of low means, regardless of color
    It disproportionately impacts minorities, so it is de facto racism, but classist also. One reason that people continue to support unequal school funding is racism, in my opinion. Not necessarily consciously racist, but because they think it doesn't affect anyone they know or care about (which is racist).

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Cool, so they got stopped, held up, and then were free to go when innocent. Is that the big bad wolf of racism, that it unfairly wastes people's time?
    you're a little slow, aren't you? ... if whites are much more likely to have the stuff they're searching for, shouldn't they they be profling whites instead?

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