View Poll Results: Does institutional racism currently exist in America?

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Thread: Institutional Racism [W:344]

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Institutional racism is most prevalent in law enforcement and education.

    African and Hispanic Americans are much more likely to be stopped by police, more likely to be charged and receive stiffer sentences, especially for drug offense, despite evidence that they do not offend more than whites.

    Education funding largely depends on the wealth of the surrounding communities, so low income, mostly minority, people are denied equal educational opportunities, despite having greater needs due to the problems associated with poverty.

    Data from NYPD study - "The analysis of 2012 statistics provided by the Public Advocate’s office shows that the likelihood that an African American detained for search would be found in possession of a weapon was half that of a white person.

    Specifically, the New York Police Department uncovered a weapon in one out of every 49 stops of white New Yorkers, while for Latinos a weapon was found for every 71 stops, and for African Americans that number was 93 stops.

    Meanwhile, the likelihood that a stop of an African American New Yorker would yield contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped"

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Music / movies are both heavily influential on all cultures. To say they are meaningless to this topic is absolutely ridiculous.
    good thing i dindt say they arent influential on cultures then huh? LOL so yes your whole post is absolute ridiculous.
    please stay on topic to what was ACTUALLY being discussed

    they are 100% meaningless to educated civil people as far as behavior influences to be a good or bad person.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Absolutely and most of it is directed at white people.
    Have any statistics to back up that claim?

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Nope. Lil B rapping, "Bitches suck my dick because I look like J.K. Rowling," is just as stupid as Katy Perry singing, "I kissed a girl and I liked it." They both are not only just dumb lyrics, but they both perpetuate ignorance surrounding women and sexuality. The only difference is that Lil B uses more explicit language which is only means that it offends some people's sensibilities.
    How does Katy Perry singing, "I kissed a girl and I liked it" perpetuate ignorance surrounding women and sexuality? I don't see any misinformation in that lyric or any sexist attitudes. I hope you know that many women/girls enjoy kissing "girls." It seems to accurately reflect the feelings that many young women experience.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Data from NYPD study - "The analysis of 2012 statistics provided by the Public Advocate’s office shows that the likelihood that an African American detained for search would be found in possession of a weapon was half that of a white person.

    Specifically, the New York Police Department uncovered a weapon in one out of every 49 stops of white New Yorkers, while for Latinos a weapon was found for every 71 stops, and for African Americans that number was 93 stops.

    Meanwhile, the likelihood that a stop of an African American New Yorker would yield contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped"
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Depends on the students. They are all dealing with different types of privilege and disadvantage.


    That's not what it means to me either.


    Not nearly enough has been done.


    People who are resentful of affirmative action have problems. They aren't my concern.

    Education should be improved, I agree. Reducing crime should happen as well - although reducing crime isn't at much of a solution as it is a problem. As far as the family, that's not something the government should be involving itself in.


    Actually, immigrants were singled out and given "extra benefits" when they got here. In fact, they are still getting benefits as there are programs, scholarships and other things specifically geared towards helping immigrants succeed. There's also the fact the Irish, Eastern Euro and Jewish immigrants had the benefit of looking a lot of like the white people who controlled the power structures in society so they (and especially their children) assimilated much more easily than blacks did. In fact, one of the ways that those groups made their way up in society was by embracing racism against blacks in solidarity with white Americans. Moreover, immigrants did not have to deal with the systemic racism and its consequences that blacks had to deal with. In other words, your comparison is a failure for several reasons.
    They are your concern. Imagine your personal work position. Imagine your boss came in and told you "sorry, you're a really really hard worker, but we feel like we really need to have a black in your position so we can meet our diversity quota, we have to let you go." How would you feel? Honestly? If you were being judged based on something other then your personal ability and work ethic that you can't control, that wouldn't make you resentful?

    Scholarships aren't affirmative action in my opinion. Pell grants are granted to those who cannot afford college. A large majority of such people will probably be of minority status. Paying for their college is somewhat against what I think is the best solution as a libertarian, and I think it places a bit too high of an emphasis on college as the end all be all solution. But at least students have to get accepted into college on their own merit.

    But to hold students to a different standard completely based on race? Seriously? I'm going to be applying to Medical School in the next 1-2 years. Its honestly racist and insulting to see that across the board, minorities are held to lower standards for admission. I have a good friend of mine who is black, who is from the same neighborhood as me (similar income levels), who has a much higher GPA then I do. I would probably guess we are going to score similarly on the MCAT, but if anyone is going to score higher it will probably be him. To even think that I would get accepted to Med School ahead of him simply because I'm white would have the ACLU filing a lawsuit against that school in a heartbeat. But make me black, and him white, and suddenly me getting into Med School ahead of him is okay? We are both college students at the same college. How on earth does either of our races make even the slightest bit of difference in how much effort we put into our classes? Or how good of a doctor either of us would make? The point is talking about the historical perspective of blacks and racism misses the point of current human experience. And that experience, suggests that if you want to preach equality you can't hold blacks and whites who live next door to each other to separate standards.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    How does Katy Perry singing, "I kissed a girl and I liked it" perpetuate ignorance surrounding women and sexuality? I don't see any misinformation in that lyric or any sexist attitudes. I hope you know that many women/girls enjoy kissing "girls." It seems to accurately reflect the feelings that many young women experience.
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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't get offended easily. I also don't do superficial analyses of music. I see the music you're denigrating as a reflection of a culture with problems that some people don't want to address and would rather just treat themselves as superior to than look any deeper.

    As far as the "that boy is cute" line. Like I said, I don't find it offensive, but talk to certain feminists and you'll get a different perspective on why such airheadedness in mainstream music is perceived as a problem for improving perceptions of women.
    Now you're putting words in my mouth. No where did I say it was a reflection of culture of all African Americans.

    I don't need to talk to feminists about "perceived problems" about improving perceptions of women. I don't make perceptions of women to begin with. Women make up half the population. Sure, I've run into plenty of airheaded women in my life, but I've also run into plenty of extremely sharp women in my life as well. I've run into who I percieve to be sharp women who make airheaded decisions. I've met who I perceive to be airheaded women who make very smart comments or decisions. Its just as unfair to call women airheaded because some woman wrote a song about how cute a boy is just as it is wrong to call all blacks thugs or gangsters just because some rapper is talking about gangbanging or prostitution. I perceive people based on their actions, and their actions alone.

    But one does not need to look deeper to understand that there are some blacks who act like gangsters. There are some whites as well who emulate that culture. For probably a majority of people who adopt that culture, they are just doing it for social capital. Not all people who act like gangsters are criminals, but a culture that romanticizes violence and misogyny is probably more likely to see that sort of behavior occur in higher frequency.

    Where I get dismissive, isn't when people start talking about problems within the black community. Its when people start talking about problems within the black community, as if it is my fault. Bull****. When people act like the only thing wrong with inner cities is my perception of inner cities, I call bull****. When people talk about racism as if its the biggest problem in the entire world, more important then marriage, personal choice, or crime, I call bull****. And it gets old hearing people like this, because it is completely distracting from real issues.

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why don't people post LINKS???
    beats me! I'll get on this windowdressing guy right away to provide a link! (And what kind of a moniker is "windowdressing?")

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    re: Institutional Racism [W:344]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    That's why I said "The only difference is that Lil B uses more explicit language." Thank you for repeating what I said as if it was your own thought. As for the rest of your post, your analysis is just a surface one just like most analyses of rap music in comparison to other genres. Most people who denigrate rap, in particular, do so on the basis that rap is more explicit in its problematic content. The implication of such superficial analyses is that music is only a problem when it is overt with its problematic features. I don't agree with that so your comment that my position is an "utter failure" is meaningless to me. It's hard for me to take critics of rap seriously when they've only shown that they are capable of superficial analyses of music and when they don't adequately acknowledge problems in other genres. /shrug
    Superficial music is meant to be judged superficially. Deep music is meant to be judged deeply. If a superficial song isn't offensive on a superficial level, it isn't my place to make a spectacle of myself talking about how a superficial song secretly has some subconscious, deep meaning that reflects a flawed society.

    We have enough real problems in the world today without me making up some of my own.

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