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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are... well, I wouldn't say the worst sock puppet ever, but you're reaching for it. If you are going to try to make conservatives look bad, you should at least learn to speak from their actual concerns, and with their actual propositions. Government intervention in fining people for providing a public good?
    I'm just tired of these pansy liberal conservatives who have lost their way. It's about time we got back on track.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    I'm just tired of these pansy liberal conservatives who have lost their way. It's about time we got back on track.
    No you're not. You're trying (and failing) to imitate a movement conservative.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No you're not. You're trying (and failing) to imitate a movement conservative.
    Think what you want you bleeding heart conservative.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Speaking realistically, kids should not be a right, it should be a privilege for only those who are wealthy enough to provide for them until they are able to enter the market and take care of themselves. Those who have kids and are not able to provide for them without government assistance or tax relief should instead be fined. This will send a clear message that the market no longer tolerates this inefficiency.
    Look, I get that you're trying to make a point with sarcasm, but all joking aside: Fining people who have more kids than they can afford is no more absurd than giving people financial rewards for having kids they can't afford (using other people's money). I personally don't agree with doing either of those things, but I don't see why the former is so "out there" that it is considered a joke, and yet the latter is completely accepted in society. They should both be considered as absurd as each other.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Look, I get that you're trying to make a point with sarcasm, but all joking aside: Fining people who have more kids than they can afford is no more absurd than giving people financial rewards for having kids they can't afford (using other people's money). I personally don't agree with doing either of those things, but I don't see why the former is so "out there" that it is considered a joke, and yet the latter is completely accepted in society. They should both be considered as absurd as each other.
    And you are a bleeding heart voluntaryist.

    Both of you should just get with the program of world domination led by a plutocracy supported by an authoritarian corporatocracy, supported by enslaving the poorest 99%. Both of you, report to reprogramming immediately. If not, you will both be prosecuted as terrorists according to the Patriot Act.
    Last edited by kenc; 05-31-13 at 04:08 AM.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Speaking realistically, kids should not be a right, it should be a privilege for only those who are wealthy enough to provide for them until they are able to enter the market and take care of themselves.
    Kids are neither a right nor a privilege. They are a biological imperative. We can choose not to have children, but it goes against some of our deepest instincts to do so. Any plan that relies on people who can't afford to have children not having them is doomed to fail. Just like abstinence only sex ed.

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Those who have kids and are not able to provide for them without government assistance or tax relief should instead be fined. This will send a clear message that the market no longer tolerates this inefficiency.
    Right, let's fine people for not having enough money, that won't make things worse or anything like that.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Speaking realistically, kids should not be a right, it should be a privilege for only those who are wealthy enough to provide for them until they are able to enter the market and take care of themselves. Those who have kids and are not able to provide for them without government assistance or tax relief should instead be fined. This will send a clear message that the market no longer tolerates this inefficiency.
    When I accused AlabamaPaul of promoting eugenics I was mostly kidding, since I was pretty sure he was using it as an insult. In your case, I think I'll assume it's not a joke and accuse you of promoting eugenics for real.

    Anyone who believes people should plan babies around a budget or have to meet some specified government minimum on wealth just to have children needs to take a long look at history and how many great people in all walks of life came from an economically poor background. Children are a resource for the future and I pity people who are too narrow-minded and/or myopic to see that.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Yes, it definitely needs an overhaul. I don't think we need a new system, just a vastly simplified version of our current system. Keep the income tax, but treat everyone and everything the same. Make it a flat tax rate with a single cost-of-living deduction based on family size. No special taxes for medicare/medicaid and social security. They come out of the general budget and the general tax income. And no special tax rates for investment income or inherited income. They're treated the same as everything else. Think of all the money that would be saved every year if most people didn't have to file their taxes ever, because the right amount would already be deducted for you.
    Funny, I would charge people more for larger families. If that discourages peopel from having children they cant afford, bonus!

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Funny, I would charge people more for larger families. If that discourages peopel from having children they cant afford, bonus!
    I really don't think as a country that we need (or want) to go down the population control route. Look at the kind of crazy **** happening in China because of their population control laws.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    While its a better solution, its still technically unfair because some people are paying more for the same services. For example, if you simplify govt down to providing everyone equally with security and justice, then everyone should pay equally for that service. As in everyone pays the same amount for water for example, regardless of how rich or poor you are (unless your poor and get subsidies, but you get the point).
    You're saying that geography is the great non-equalizer? Like when someone living in California pays more for goods and services than someone else who lives in Wyoming?

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