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Thread: Revisit - Tax Reform

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Good evening 2m. I'm not sure I would want to meet the person who would base their decision on bringing a child into the world for a $100/month government subsidy...
    That person would be, by definition, someone who believes human life is cheap. Best avoided, I agree.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If you think $100/month doesn't matter, you've obviously never been poor.
    When placed into the context of raising a child, it isn't much...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Then you just want to keep the same convoluted system as is where the government decides what behaviors to reward and which to punish...
    No, I've stated that's not the case. I don't want a system that rewards or punishes people for having kids. I want a system that recognizes that kids are a drain on a family's resources. That's not an unrealistic thing to expect, since the vast majority of people in this country will have children some day.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    When placed into the context of raising a child, it isn't much...
    When it's the difference between eating this week and not it's a hell of a lot.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, I've stated that's not the case. I don't want a system that rewards or punishes people for having kids. I want a system that recognizes that kids are a drain on a family's resources. That's not an unrealistic thing to expect, since the vast majority of people in this country will have children some day.
    You're running around in circles. On the one hand you don't want a system that rewards/punishes the choice to have children, while on the other you want the government to recognize the children are a "drain" on resources. This is where we began. Just let each person have some exclusionary amount of income not subject to taxation and then let them choose how to lead their lives from that point forward...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    When it's the difference between eating this week and not it's a hell of a lot.
    My choice would always be children first, and again, if this amount of subsidy would be required in order for you to support a child, you might want to rethink the decision to have one...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You're running around in circles. On the one hand you don't want a system that rewards/punishes the choice to have children, while on the other you want the government to recognize the children are a "drain" on resources. This is where we began. Just let each person have some exclusionary amount of income not subject to taxation and then let them choose how to lead their lives from that point forward...
    You continue to miss the point that if it was done that way the exclusionary amount of income you want each person to have would include an amount for children, whether they would have any or not. The whole point of having a deduction is for basic living expenses. Food, water, shelter, transportation to and from work, clothing, etc. Those living expenses are higher if you have kids, which is why the deduction needs to be higher.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    You continue to miss the point that if it was done that way the exclusionary amount of income you want each person to have would include an amount for children, whether they would have any or not. The whole point of having a deduction is for basic living expenses. Food, water, shelter, transportation to and from work, clothing, etc. Those living expenses are higher if you have kids, which is why the deduction should be higher.
    What makes you think this? If so, do not exclude any amount from taxation. You have income; you pay tax...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    That's quite a leap your attempting to make. I'm sorry for you if that's all you took away from the post...
    When you start talking about a given class of people that shouldn't be breeding, what other conclusion would you expect?

    Or don't you know what eugenics is?
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What makes you think this? If so, do not exclude any amount from taxation. You have income; you pay tax...
    Because I live in a realistic world. Some people cannot afford to pay any taxes without it seriously impacting their ability to provide basic necessities for themselves and their families. This will always be the case. The amount of money required to provide basic necessities is higher if you have kids to provide for than if it's just yourself or yourself and a spouse. I'm really not sure what's hard to understand here.
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