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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, individualism is the great non equalizer.
    Thats dangerous thinking. It means someone gets to decide how everyone shouls be equal. I prefer the doers to set the standards, not some self loathing underachiever.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Don't people say if you don't like your country's tax system you can move to another country? How are States committing theft but landlords are not? How is having a choice between masters "freedom?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Don't people say if you don't like your country's tax system you can move to another country? How are States committing theft but landlords are not? How is having a choice between masters "freedom?"
    States are committing theft by claiming a monopoly on economic and geographical jurisdiction over you. Your landlords aren't because they don't do that. You either proactively enter into a contract with them or you don't. The state assumes "social contract" and "consent of the governed" without anyone ever signing a contract or consenting to anything, it's fraudulent, unlike a voluntary contract that is subjected to competition and choice.

    There is a really big fundamental difference between the two, I'm surprised it isn't more obvious to you.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Thats dangerous thinking. It means someone gets to decide how everyone shouls be equal. I prefer the doers to set the standards, not some self loathing underachiever.
    No, my point was that individualism makes us all non equal. Joining into groups for shared purpose has to strip away those inequalities in order for everyone to feel they benefit. So a nation makes us all equal before the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    States are committing theft by claiming a monopoly on economic and geographical jurisdiction over you. Your landlords aren't because they don't do that. You either proactively enter into a contract with them or you don't. The state assumes "social contract" and "consent of the governed" without anyone ever signing a contract or consenting to anything, it's fraudulent, unlike a voluntary contract that is subjected to competition and choice.

    There is a really big fundamental difference between the two, I'm surprised it isn't more obvious to you.
    We all agree to a social contract with the country in which we reside - even if we're just visiting. Don't like the contract? Don't stay in the country.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We all agree to a social contract with the country in which we reside - even if we're just visiting. Don't like the contract? Don't stay in the country.
    We don't agree to a social contract, it is imposed on us from birth whether we agree to it or not, and whether we have the means to go somewhere else or not. Your statement also implies that there is somewhere else to go, there isn't, all governments use the same fraudulent claims of jurisdiction based on non existent contracts, and non respect natural rights.

    Also, by definition, a social contract isn't even a contract anyway..... ergo facto, it's fraudulent.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We all agree to a social contract with the country in which we reside - even if we're just visiting. Don't like the contract? Don't stay in the country.
    If you are born to it, you don't have a choice. And what If he govt you are born into isn't holding up its side?

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    We don't agree to a social contract, it is imposed on us from birth whether we agree to it or not, and whether we have the means to go somewhere else or not. Your statement also implies that there is somewhere else to go, there isn't, all governments use the same fraudulent claims of jurisdiction based on non existent contracts, and non respect natural rights.

    Also, by definition, a social contract isn't even a contract anyway..... ergo facto, it's fraudulent.
    Until you're of the age of consent your parents consent to the social contract for you - just like they pay the landlord for you to live there. If you have a problem with their choices then talk to your parents. After the age of consent you have every right to move if you don't like where you live. Go find another landlord, no one is stopping you.

    Just like changing landlords, isn't it? Really no where else to go but to another landlord.


    Of course it's a contract. You consent to follow the laws of a country - any country - by staying in that country. The same goes for US states, counties inside the state, and municipal laws inside the county. If you don't like the laws, go somewhere else. No one is stopping you from leaving - unless, of course, you break the laws in which case you may have to spend some time in prison first.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    If you are born to it, you don't have a choice.
    Your parents give your consent until you reach the age of consent - just like they're responsible for your rent until that time. Once you reach the age of consent you can leave if you wish, no one is stopping you.



    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And what If he govt you are born into isn't holding up its side?
    It's just like any other contract where you think the other side has broken the contract, you take them to court.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Does our taxation system need an overhaul - and if so - which system could realistically take its place.

    We have major Energy Corporations acquiring resources through wars that are funded by the taxpayers. We have GMO Corporations using the gov't to promote their products overseas. We have Big Energy capturing the funding that should go to Renewable Energy initiatives. We have Big Pharma using the patent system to protect big profits. We have lots of military and armaments contractors making big profits from instabilities that the gov't creates. Capsulizing a statement that continue ad infinitum, it is my opinion that the Corporations that benefit most from our gov't policies are big Corporations and they pay the least, if any taxes. They should be paying at least 37% tax rates. Our military umbrella is what protects their ass and they should serve us, not us sserve them. Just one point of contention.

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