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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Fair Tax gets my vote.
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    Yes, our tax system needs a complete overhaul. My ideal system would have no income, sales, or improvement taxes. They would be replaced by taxes on land value, pollution, patents, user fees, and maybe a few other pigouvian taxes (on alcohol, cigarettes, etc.) Realistically, the elimination of any tax would be very improbable. However, I can live with a shift in the right direction: Lower taxes that discourage productive behavior and increase taxes that discourage unproductive/damaging behavior.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Taxation should be voluntary, just like everything else.
    Taxation is not just taken by a government. It can also be taken by a private entity such as a landlord. Neither one is 'voluntary.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Taxation is not just taken by a government. It can also be taken by a private entity such as a landlord. Neither one is 'voluntary.'
    Sure it is, you want to tell me there are no other landlords? Choosing to pay to use another person's private property is just a voluntary transaction. If you don't like his terms, you can find a different landlord. The problems come when governments create artificial monopolies and all of a sudden you don't have a choice anymore. That is when it becomes involuntary
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Yes, our tax system needs a complete overhaul. My ideal system would have no income, sales, or improvement taxes. They would be replaced by taxes on land value, pollution, patents, user fees, and maybe a few other pigouvian taxes (on alcohol, cigarettes, etc.) Realistically, the elimination of any tax would be very improbable. However, I can live with a shift in the right direction: Lower taxes that discourage productive behavior and increase taxes that discourage unproductive/damaging behavior.
    Not to go all "Godwinian" on you, but the first thing I thought about when reading this was that it sounded like the ideals of a man who reigned in 1930s Germany.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Sure it is, you want to tell me there are no other landlords? Choosing to pay to use another person's private property is just a voluntary transaction. If you don't like his terms, you can find a different landlord. The problems come when governments create artificial monopolies and all of a sudden you don't have a choice anymore. That is when it becomes involuntary
    Don't people say if you don't like your country's tax system you can move to another country? How are States committing theft but landlords are not? How is having a choice between masters "freedom?"
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Not to go all "Godwinian" on you, but the first thing I thought about when reading this was that it sounded like the ideals of a man who reigned in 1930s Germany.
    Perhaps you can give an honest critique of my proposal instead of playing the 'Hitler card.'
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Perhaps you can give an honest critique of my proposal instead of playing the 'Hitler card.'
    Is there any argument that Pigouvian (sin) taxes don't play into Hitler's wheelhouse?

    Now, his system may have been a little more outstretched than yours, but yours definitely seems to have the same tenets.

    Also, it's not the same because I'm not calling you a racist or a lover of genocide. I'm just saying that you share some ideals with the man.

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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Is there any argument that Pigouvian (sin) taxes don't play into Hitler's wheelhouse?
    Pigouvian taxes exist everywhere. You are throwing a red herring.


    Also, it's not the same because I'm not calling you a racist or a lover of genocide. I'm just saying that you share some ideals with the man.
    So because I have a tax proposal, and because Hitler's Germany had taxes, I must hold the ideals of Nazism. Wow. Please troll elsewhere.
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    Re: Revisit - Tax Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    You're saying that geography is the great non-equalizer? Like when someone living in California pays more for goods and services than someone else who lives in Wyoming?
    No, individualism is the great non equalizer.

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