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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Yes, good job. You've identified the law of identity. Now, I'm going a step further and looking at what attitude towards voting is validated by such an action and therefore how voting shall be viewed. There's a segment of the population which views voting as a privilege, and by making it a right, we are validating that viewpoint.
    The level of appreciation you feel people should have for the right isn't relevant.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What rationale is there for not allowing people who've served their time to vote again? If they're released back as citizens, they should be able to participate as citizens.
    Agreed. While I don't feel like illegals have a right to vote, because they are not citizens of the US, I think that it's silly to not allow felons to vote. They've served their time, and they still live here, so they should have every opportunity to have a say in the direction this country goes in.
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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The level of appreciation you feel people should have for the right isn't relevant.
    It has nothing to do with appreciation. Voting exists in our system as a check against government to ensure the ideals of the Republic are maintained. Declaring voting a right makes it instead an individual pursuit which it certainly is not. Any notions of voting outside of this purpose, including further one's own interests or acting upon an ideological belief which runs counter to these principles are outside the scope of our form of Government.
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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Since when are judges elected?
    May not be in your state, but in a lot of places judges are elected.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    How can they vote if they can't use giant pieces of paper? Think man!
    Voting machines are pretty common these days.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    It has nothing to do with appreciation. Voting exists in our system as a check against government to ensure the ideals of the Republic are maintained. Declaring voting a right makes it instead an individual pursuit which it certainly is not. Any notions of voting outside of this purpose, including further one's own interests or acting upon an ideological belief which runs counter to these principles are outside the scope of our form of Government.
    If voting becomes a right (I'm not seeing a lot of momentum for this, sadly), then it will be dealt with in the same way we do with all our other rights listed in the Bill of Rights: with varying levels of maturity and responsibility, and of course varying degrees of understanding.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    There are people who say why would you not want to register your gun ... It applies here why would you not want to show your I.D. It would not be that difficult to just show your drivers licenses . All Americans have some form of I. D. bye the time they are 18 so if it is a amendment it would not interfere anyway .

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There are many people who don't realize that voting is NOT a right granted by the U.S. Constitution. Would you support such an amendment?

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    Here is what is being proposed by two Democratic representatives:

    A pair of Democratic congressmen is pushing an amendment that would place an affirmative right to vote in the U.S. Constitution. According to Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI), who is sponsoring the legislation along with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the amendment would protect voters from what he described as a “systematic” push to “restrict voting access” through voter ID laws, shorter early voting deadlines, and other measures that are being proposed in many states.


    “Most people believe that there already is something in the Constitution that gives people the right to vote, but unfortunately … there is no affirmative right to vote in the Constitution. We have a number of amendments that protect against discrimination in voting, but we don’t have an affirmative right,” Pocan told TPM last week. “Especially in an era … you know, in the last decade especially we’ve just seen a number of these measures to restrict access to voting rights in so many states. … There’s just so many of these that are out there, that it shows the real need that we have.”


    The brief amendment would stipulate that “every citizen of the United States, who is of legal voting age, shall have the fundamental right to vote in any public election held in the jurisdiction in which the citizen resides.” It would also give Congress “the power to enforce and implement this article by appropriate legislation.”

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    Congressmen Propose Constitutional Amendment To Block Voting Rights Challenges | TPMDC
    Voting is mentioned as a right at least four times in the Constitution bill of rights. So your claim that voting is not a right is blatantly false.



    15th Amendment (1870): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

    19th Amendment (1920): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

    23rd Amendment (1961): provides that residents of the District of Columbia can vote for the President and Vice-President.

    24th Amendment (1964): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

    26th Amendment (1971): "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."
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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you in favor of them being able to own guns too?
    I am.People who served their time behind bars should have all their rights restored to them once they get out of prison.If they can not be trusted to have all their rights then they should not be released. Because no anti-2nd amendment law on the book is going to stop them from getting a gun, using a knife, baseball bat or any other weapon if that person is hell bent on revenge or some other violent criminal activity and its a failure of the justice system that such a person was even let out in the first place.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    In early United States, only land owners (male) were allowed to vote. That seems harsh by todays standards.
    But there was good reason NOT to let itinerant laborers and never-do-wells, and transients vote. They had no stake in the local economy.
    Owning land was easy. Lot's of free land to homestead. The homesteading was the hard part.
    Anyone successful in carving a home out of the wilderness, had EARNED a right to vote.
    The best we can do today, is voter IDs to prevent fraudulent votes from dead folks and multiple voting transients, and illegals.
    Last I checked drafts back then were not limited to just land owners.Laws were not restricted to just land owners.Taxes were not restricted to just land owners and pretty much anything else the government did was not restricted to just land owners. So the idea these people had not stake is absurd.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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