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Thread: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You mean for why felony disenfranchisement exists in the first place? Actually I don't know, I just assumed it was one of those overly enthusiastic positions that politicians take on to appear tough on crime.
    I have read somewhere that it is because the church community wanted to keep political control and didn't want those who do not agree with them to outvote them and turn the towns into places of wickedness, and that it became the practice, but I still think the judge voting is part of that.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I have read somewhere that it is because the church community wanted to keep political control and didn't want those who do not agree with them to outvote them and turn the towns into places of wickedness, and that it became the practice, but I still think the judge voting is part of that.
    I just read a couple other reasons, one being that a criminal has broken the social contract and can't be trusted again, another that society feared that criminals would vote against laws/politicians that would be tough on crime (although simply lobbying for your business product or practice to be legal is also pretty straight forward). Along with the two reasons you've mentioned, all we really have here are emotional arguments in favor of felony disenfranchisement, and I'd be curious what studies have been done in other countries where ex-convicts are allowed to vote and whether that has led to any problems. The arguments in favor (at least the ones I've seen) aren't very scientific. One thing that is seen, however, is the effect of voter disenfranchisement on poor black neighborhoods in which a large percentage of people have been incarcerated one or more times: with fewer available votes to offer, that community is less politically potent, and therefore has less power to push for policies that help them.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I just read a couple other reasons, one being that a criminal has broken the social contract and can't be trusted again, another that society feared that criminals would vote against laws/politicians that would be tough on crime (although simply lobbying for your business product or practice to be legal is also pretty straight forward). Along with the two reasons you've mentioned, all we really have here are emotional arguments in favor of felony disenfranchisement, and I'd be curious what studies have been done in other countries where ex-convicts are allowed to vote and whether that has led to any problems. The arguments in favor (at least the ones I've seen) aren't very scientific. One thing that is seen, however, is the effect of voter disenfranchisement on poor black neighborhoods in which a large percentage of people have been incarcerated one or more times: with fewer available votes to offer, that community is less politically potent, and therefore has less power to push for policies that help them.
    I am not aware of any formal studies but some US states allow it and I am not aware of any problems.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I am not aware of any formal studies but some US states allow it and I am not aware of any problems.
    For who? The ex-convicts, the communities or the states?

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What rationale is there for not allowing people who've served their time to vote again? If they're released back as citizens, they should be able to participate as citizens.
    are you in favor of them being able to own guns too?



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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you in favor of them being able to own guns too?
    Wrong thread, big guy.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Wrong thread, big guy.
    no its not. I want to see if those who want criminals to vote (mainly because-according to Stanford Law Professor Pamela Karlan-criminals vote in huge proportions for democrats) are also willing to extend to them other rights they lose after convictions



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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Wrong thread, big guy.
    Yeah, this thread is about an amendment to the Constitution, not your personal crusade to get convicts the vote.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no its not.
    Yes it is. Here's the thread title: "Would you support a voting rights amendment?"

    See? You're in the wrong thread.

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    Re: Constitutional Amendment Making Voting A Right

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, this thread is about an amendment to the Constitution, not your personal crusade to get convicts the vote.
    Ex-convicts, and I wasn't aware that this was my personal crusade until...oh, fifteen seconds ago.

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