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Imagining a different POTUS outcome

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After listening to George Romney sound knowledgeable last hour on the Military Channel, a recurring theme for me has been "what if" and where the direction of mankind would be now. 1) If Perot had not thrown the election to Clinton twice. 2) The debacle of 2000. 3) T. Roosevelt throwing the election to Wilson. 4) The deal of 1876. I'm sure there are intra-party decisions like G. Romney and G. Ford that have been profound.
 
Who is George Romney? Real question, I don't have a TV so I don't know who he is.



NIMBY said:
After listening to George Romney sound knowledgeable last hour on the Military Channel, a recurring theme for me has been "what if" and where the direction of mankind would be now. 1) If Perot had not thrown the election to Clinton twice. 2) The debacle of 2000. 3) T. Roosevelt throwing the election to Wilson. 4) The deal of 1876. I'm sure there are intra-party decisions like G. Romney and G. Ford that have been profound.
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NIMBY said:
After listening to George Romney sound knowledgeable last hour on the Military Channel, a recurring theme for me has been "what if" and where the direction of mankind would be now. 1) If Perot had not thrown the election to Clinton twice. 2) The debacle of 2000. 3) T. Roosevelt throwing the election to Wilson. 4) The deal of 1876. I'm sure there are intra-party decisions like G. Romney and G. Ford that have been profound.
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Come on guy, Perot didn’t throw the election to Clinton, especially twice. All the exit polls show Perot drew relative even from both parties. Besides Clinton beat Bush by 6 million votes, 45-39. Perot drew a little less than 20 million votes which meant Bush would have had to win 13 million to Clinton taking only 7 million of those who voted for Perot, a whopping 65%. That wasn’t about to happen. You would be surprised at the amount of Perot’s support that was dissatisfied with Bush, chances are Clinton may have won even bigger without Perot in the race.

The debacle of 2000, all Gore had to do was win his home state of Tennessee and he would have been president with 280 electoral votes. Florida would have become irrelevant. I have always said if you can’t win your home state, win where the people know you best, you have no business winning.

In 1912, Taft was the sitting president which means TR would have had to stay out of it. Taft wasn’t about to resign or just serve one term and hand the reigns over to TR. But if TR had stayed out of it, odds say Taft probably would have defeated Wilson and I would guess we would not have entered WWII.

As for the 1876 election, doing away with the compromise and let’s say Tilden won. I am sure he would have ordered all federal troops from the south as Hayes did. Removing those troops was the Democrats number one priority and Tilden being a Democrat, he would have done so.
 
NIMBY said:
After listening to George Romney sound knowledgeable last hour on the Military Channel, a recurring theme for me has been "what if" and where the direction of mankind would be now. 1) If Perot had not thrown the election to Clinton twice. 2) The debacle of 2000. 3) T. Roosevelt throwing the election to Wilson. 4) The deal of 1876. I'm sure there are intra-party decisions like G. Romney and G. Ford that have been profound.
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George Romney, Mitt Romney's father was a governor of Michigan and head of GM. He ran for president in 1964 and 1968. He lost to Goldwater in 64 and Nixon in 68. He was a moderate Republican.
 
specklebang said:
Who is George Romney? Real question, I don't have a TV so I don't know who he is.
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George Romney, Mitt Romney's father was a governor of Michigan and head of GM. He ran for president in 1964 and 1968. He lost to Goldwater in 64 and Nixon in 68. He was a moderate Republican.
 
Perot did not want to be President. If he had, he would not have "suspended his campaign" for no reason when he was building serious momentum. I am glad he did or else that whack job would have been President. Fortunately he was just in it to hear himself throw out zingers.
 
I'm so I old I should remember that and so old I don't remember anything. Thanks.:3oops:


Perotista said:
George Romney, Mitt Romney's father was a governor of Michigan and head of GM. He ran for president in 1964 and 1968. He lost to Goldwater in 64 and Nixon in 68. He was a moderate Republican.
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Perotista----I was pretty sure I'd touch a nerve with Perot. This week is crunch time. Final exam reviews, final chapter material, finish grading, enter all grades in computer----you know, that easy part-time job I have. Wife will be here Thursday. I'll
Check in each day and see where you are. My thoughts are with you and your lost buddies and all of the lost souls from war.
 
Perotista said:
George Romney, Mitt Romney's father was a governor of Michigan and head of GM. He ran for president in 1964 and 1968. He lost to Goldwater in 64 and Nixon in 68. He was a moderate Republican.
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He was not the head of GM, he was the Head of American Motors Corporation maker of the Nash Rambler.
 
Perotista said:
George Romney, Mitt Romney's father was a governor of Michigan and head of GM. He ran for president in 1964 and 1968. He lost to Goldwater in 64 and Nixon in 68. He was a moderate Republican.
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Someone has a slow internet connection and/or a storm in the area.
 
Jerry said:
Someone has a slow internet connection and/or a storm in the area.
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Would Bush-41 have signed the Automatic Weapons ban if he would have had a 2nd term?
 
Jerry said:
The Hughes Amendment?
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No, the AWB of 1994 that Clinton signed. Again, would Bush-41 have signed it? Too bad the law grand-fathered all those guns before 1994, eh? This is the type of noise NRA loons on DP spew that gun-controllers think in their hatred of any gun measure.
 
NIMBY said:
Would Bush-41 have signed the Automatic Weapons ban if he would have had a 2nd term?
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You are confused again. The Automatic weapons ban =the Hughes Amendment-was a poison pill that was -in violation of congressional rules-imposed on a pro gun bill-the McClure Volker Firearm Owners Protection Act signed by Reagan because he was told the Hughes Amendment would be stripped out

it wasn't

the Clinton ban had nothing to do with "Automatics"
 
NIMBY said:
No, the AWB of 1994 that Clinton signed. Again, would Bush-41 have signed it? Too bad the law grand-fathered all those guns before 1994, eh? This is the type of noise NRA loons on DP spew that gun-controllers think in their hatred of any gun measure.
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yeah you would have been happy seeing millions of people killed when cops tried to confiscate millions of legally owned semi autos that Fientard wanted to confiscate

I suggest that if there is a gun ban you volunteer to round them up

better you get wasted than some rookie cop following orders of some scumbag politician or bureaucrat
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah you would have been happy seeing millions of people killed when cops tried to confiscate millions of legally owned semi autos that Fientard wanted to confiscate

I suggest that if there is a gun ban you volunteer to round them up

better you get wasted than some rookie cop following orders of some scumbag politician or bureaucrat
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Let me know where to sign up as I pass through Ohio in a few weeks. We could have a few shirley temples. Then head for a gun show in Indiana. Did you hit one while at the Indy 500?
 
NIMBY said:
Let me know where to sign up as I pass through Ohio in a few weeks. We could have a few shirley temples. Then head for a gun show in Indiana. Did you hit one while at the Indy 500?
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not much sense driving to Indy for gun shows

1) Ohio prices are better

2) Automatic knives cannot be sold in Indiana-one of the few things I buy at gun shows

3) I cannot buy a handgun from an Indiana dealer or an Indiana resident

All we did in Indy was visit with our friends-go to the race with them, went back to their home-hung out for a few hours-had some really good pizza. Jr and the wife sat in the hot tub they have on their deck as well

sadly their youngest daughter had a bug and had to study for exams-I often work on her archery technique when we visit there
 
TurtleDude said:
You are confused again. The Automatic weapons ban =the Hughes Amendment-was a poison pill that was -in violation of congressional rules-imposed on a pro gun bill-the McClure Volker Firearm Owners Protection Act signed by Reagan because he was told the Hughes Amendment would be stripped out

it wasn't

the Clinton ban had nothing to do with "Automatics"
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What did the Clinton ban ban for only 10 years? As long as you're gonna call me a gun hater, I may as well play along.
 
Perotista said:
George Romney, Mitt Romney's father was a governor of Michigan and head of GM. He ran for president in 1964 and 1968. He lost to Goldwater in 64 and Nixon in 68. He was a moderate Republican.
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george romney was head of amc,not gm,btw amc was one of the most unnsuccesful car companies of its era,dueto poor planning and manegement.by the 60's most of amc's cars were frankensteins of chrysler engines,gm transmission,and ford rearends,or amc engines,chrysler transmissions,and chevy rearends,or just plain chrysler power and drivetrain but with goofy amc-ization that made it practically impossible to find decent parts for,even when they were fairly new.between having a frankenstein of the big 3's parts in random orders and trying to compete with the big 3 with their own tech,amc ran itself into the ground,only to eventually be bought by chrysler.

hate to admit it,but george romney only wished he headed gm.
 
NIMBY said:
What did the Clinton ban ban for only 10 years? As long as you're gonna call me a gun hater, I may as well play along.
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the sale of magazines that held more than 10 rounds that were made after the date the law went into effect (september 94 IIRC)

semi autos with certain cosmetic features such as collapsing or folding stocks, flash hiders, shrouded barrels, pistol grips, bayonet lugs
 
Turtle Dude---exams are part of the life we choose. My students take them next week and I am preparing them starting tomorrow. I'm actually looking at Ohio next year for 2nd semester teaching. You take care.
 
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