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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

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    Chemical manufacturing. It has done a lot of good on balance, but when things go wrong they go very wrong with their products.
    As tech advanced as we are, West , Texas should not have happened. 1,300 times the allowed amount of Ammonium Nitrate. Lax regs on BO from before Obama all leading to the 80'd when deregulation started. Single-hull tankers. I do not know how to make this a voting poll at the top. Certainly, multi-national chemical problems are huge. Maybe Rand Paul and the renegades should look a little closer to these New World Order problems.

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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't understand much of the hate many people have for "big pharma."

    There is a prescription drug abuse problem and illegal drug abuse problem (and it's more than teenagers), but the problem lies with the people abusing the drugs, the physicians prescribing them, and the pharmacists dispensing them. Ultimately, the biggest problem is with the people abusing them and the culture that harbors such actions. Most widely abused drugs are not that expensive, "big pharma" makes most of its money developing new drugs to treat chronic condition.
    Florida should be excommunicated from this Country for what is has done with Oxycodone. You deny it is the fault of Big Pharma and then list several truths making my case. Thank you. Big Pharma is impervious to control. I'm wondering whether these "bad drug" lawsuits are a ruse by big Pharma, including the latest I've seen on Lipitor. And yes I do know a little chemistry.

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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Florida should be excommunicated from this Country for what is has done with Oxycodone. You deny it is the fault of Big Pharma and then list several truths making my case. Thank you. Big Pharma is impervious to control. I'm wondering whether these "bad drug" lawsuits are a ruse by big Pharma, including the latest I've seen on Lipitor. And yes I do know a little chemistry.
    Please explain how I listed how it's "big pharma's" fault. "Big pharma" is also probably among the most controlled business models in the world, it's hardly impervious to control.

    There is a massive Oxy problem (and other drugs) in Florida and many other states in general. But as I said, the chief one at fault is the individual addict followed by the practitioners that enable it. The state is also at fault, largely Medicaid programs that fund a lot of the addictions. I know a little chemistry too

    Do you realize that drugs go through an excruciatingly controlled and expensive process under the FDA in order to develop and release new drugs to the market for use in humans?

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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Please explain how I listed how it's "big pharma's" fault. "Big pharma" is also probably among the most controlled business models in the world, it's hardly impervious to control.

    There is a massive Oxy problem (and other drugs) in Florida and many other states in general. But as I said, the chief one at fault is the individual addict followed by the practitioners that enable it. The state is also at fault, largely Medicaid programs that fund a lot of the addictions. I know a little chemistry too

    Do you realize that drugs go through an excruciatingly controlled and expensive process under the FDA in order to develop and release new drugs to the market for use in humans?
    It is so easy for some to blame the individual? I'm sure you've noticed the marketing of over-caffeinated drinks to our teenagers. Peer pressure is their fault. Then they're in their 20's and just another addicted American. It's their fault, just ad with cigs and weed and especially alcohol.

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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It is so easy for some to blame the individual? I'm sure you've noticed the marketing of over-caffeinated drinks to our teenagers. Peer pressure is their fault. Then they're in their 20's and just another addicted American. It's their fault, just ad with cigs and weed and especially alcohol.
    Caffeinated drinks =/= abusing drugs. I don't know many kids who started their Xanax addiction because they saw commercials for Red Bull on TV. Addiction and drug abuse is nearly always the majority fault of the individual abuser. They are the ones taking the meds, the are the ones physician/pharmacy hopping to try and fill them and they are the ones who choose to reject recovery and live as an addict.

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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    digsbe---post #23 as per post #19---you note there is a prescription drug abuse problem. Who made them? Are we back to the gun mentality? Is that why you used the word hate? Most pharms are difficult to use, let alone deal with the side-effects. You blame individuals abusing them. What about their misuse? Physicians prescribing dangerous drugs are in league with big Pharma. But it is still the individual's fault. As it is for soldiers coming home with PTSD. For WW II, it was Lithium. What did they give them to stay away from alcohol?

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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As Zeppelin would say, the only nonsense is for Britain's imperialist child America to decide "what is and what shall never be".
    Because they're the experts on national politics.
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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Caffeinated drinks =/= abusing drugs. I don't know many kids who started their Xanax addiction because they saw commercials for Red Bull on TV. Addiction and drug abuse is nearly always the majority fault of the individual abuser. They are the ones taking the meds, the are the ones physician/pharmacy hopping to try and fill them and they are the ones who choose to reject recovery and live as an addict.
    Do you have any idea what today's teenagers are like in school? When they are allowed to bring in Mountain Dew and Amp into the school and we teachers must fight them to keep it out of class? Or to keep their hat off in a room with a flag? Or to put the text machine away? This is my 2nd semester of 8 since I retired in 2009 of full-time teaching. And yes I came back because of Sandy Hook. And no I don't appreciate being called a gun-hater upstairs and now another hater. Anybody with a different opinion from "you people" is a hater.

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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

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    Because they're the experts on national politics.
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    Re: Which of these multi-nationals has done the most harm to the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Do you have any idea what today's teenagers are like in school? When they are allowed to bring in Mountain Dew and Amp into the school and we teachers must fight them to keep it out of class? Or to keep their hat off in a room with a flag? Or to put the text machine away? This is my 2nd semester of 8 since I retired in 2009 of full-time teaching. And yes I came back because of Sandy Hook. And no I don't appreciate being called a gun-hater upstairs and now another hater. Anybody with a different opinion from "you people" is a hater.
    I never called anyone a hater and people that disagree with me are wrong, but not hateful unless of course their opinions stem from hate

    I do have an idea of what teens are like in school, I was a teen in school not too long ago. There is a cultural component behind drug addiction, but I don't think Mountain Dew or Amp are to blame. I think there is a cultural problem where students believe it's acceptable to abuse drugs, lack discipline, and live disrespectfully but ultimately this is a character flaw with the individual student. It may have been influenced by others, but ultimately it is the flaw of the individual who carries primary responsibility for their actions.

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