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    Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    That's how it is in the vast majority of states, currently. Most states allow tipped employees to be paid an hourly wage less than minimum wage. Many of those, if not all, require that the employer make up the difference if the tips do not equal minimum wage, but in all my years inside and outside the restaurant industry I have never seen or heard of an employer actually doing so. Only a handful of states mandate paying of minimum wage for tipped employees. The question is, is this a good practice that should be continued, or should it be abolished?

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    Please note this is not a question about the minimum wage itself as a broad topic, nor is it a question about free market agreements between employers/employees, etc.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    They should just pay them minimum wage and drop the idea of tips all together.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Unless they are working as an independent contractor, then there is still a state minimum wage for them--it is just lower--at least that is how I understand it to be in most states. I don't agree with the policy, but that is how it is. If most waitresses refused the deal, then they could change the system.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    They should just pay them minimum wage and drop the idea of tips all together.
    Servers always complain about the inequity in tipping. Some customers tip well, some tip crap, but it all evens out. They complain about the crappy tippers, of course.

    However ask a server if they would forgo tips for a higher wage, and virtually every one I have ever asked this question says, "Not no, but hell no." They know that, in spite of their complaints, they do better when their tips are averaged into hourly averages than they would if they got only a straight hourly wage... even if the hourly wage were significantly above minimum wage.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    I vote no. My tip is intended as a reward for the server, not a subsidy for the owner.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Servers always complain about the inequity in tipping. Some customers tip well, some tip crap, but it all evens out. They complain about the crappy tippers, of course.

    However ask a server if they would forgo tips for a higher wage, and virtually every one I have ever asked this question says, "Not no, but hell no." They know that, in spite of their complaints, they do better when their tips are averaged into hourly averages than they would if they got only a straight hourly wage... even if the hourly wage were significantly above minimum wage.
    I prefer the culture of no tipping, like in Japan. Quality service is not sacrificed by doing such. Tip jars are like guilt trips to many customers and they are popping up in some of the most ridiculous places nowadays.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I prefer the culture of no tipping, like in Japan. Quality service is not sacrificed by doing such. Tip jars are like guilt trips to many customers and they are popping up in some of the most ridiculous places nowadays.
    Don't even get me started on tip jars. I have seen them at drive-thru windows.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    That's how it is in the vast majority of states, currently. Most states allow tipped employees to be paid an hourly wage less than minimum wage. Many of those, if not all, require that the employer make up the difference if the tips do not equal minimum wage, but in all my years inside and outside the restaurant industry I have never seen or heard of an employer actually doing so. Only a handful of states mandate paying of minimum wage for tipped employees. The question is, is this a good practice that should be continued, or should it be abolished?

    Yes.
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    Don't know.

    Please note this is not a question about the minimum wage itself as a broad topic, nor is it a question about free market agreements between employers/employees, etc.
    Yes, they should be allowed to pay less than minimum wage in tip jobs. Anyone who's ever stayed at a resort where tips are included? Or where they add 15% onto the checks for dinner? Knows that tips are the only things that motivate excellent service.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    I think the minimum wage should apply but in return I think the employer is entitled to a percentage of the tips, just as the employee is entitled to a factor of the employers expenses.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, they should be allowed to pay less than minimum wage in tip jobs. Anyone who's ever stayed at a resort where tips are included? Or where they add 15% onto the checks for dinner? Knows that tips are the only things that motivate excellent service.
    Don't deny it's a motivator, but when the tip is automatic I can't help but think all motivation is lost (for those to whom money is the only or primary motivator).
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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