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Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 41.5%
  • No

    Votes: 31 58.5%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    53
well what would be the point, becuase i would be thinking outside the supreme law of the land, and no law in higher than that.

i dont mean to demagog your thread, but i dont understand asking questions....... should something be allowed, when the whole matter is illegal.

The premise of the thread is based on real world scenarios, not Constitutional theory. Said Constitutional theory may indeed be theoretically (and even technically) correct, but it's not being applied in today's real world, and we have other forums and threads to discuss said Constitutional theory.
 
At a bar I used to frequent, on the weekends they'd put an employee on a stool in the men's room to hand you a paper towel. Sitting next to him was a pile of cheap peppermints and a tip jar.

The Playboy Clubs used to do that. I was on a date at the Playboy Club in Chicago -- I excused myself to "visit the ladies' room," and he handed me $5. WTF?? "What's this for?" "The lady in the restroom," he said. Class act, I thought.
 
The premise of the thread is based on real world scenarios, not Constitutional theory. Said Constitutional theory may indeed be theoretically (and even technically) correct, but it's not being applied in today's real world, and we have other forums and threads to discuss said Constitutional theory.

alright sir, i will respect your thread, and not post anything else to it.
 
The Playboy Clubs used to do that. I was on a date at the Playboy Club in Chicago -- I excused myself to "visit the ladies' room," and he handed me $5. WTF?? "What's this for?" "The lady in the restroom," he said. Class act, I thought.

If giving money to a woman is classy, I should be on a Dos Equis commercial.
 
They should just pay them minimum wage and drop the idea of tips all together.

Giving you kudos for being very liberal and illustrating how ones performance should not matter.

I don't eat out much any more, but I use to before o'failure took over and created mediocrity and called it success. Ok sorry for the rant but when I did eat out I tipped based on performance. I walked up to a buss boy and handed him $5 once because I couldn't bring myself to tip the fem nazi who decided to propel her views upon me over dinner. I couldn't in good concisous stiff the buss boy but I certainly told the manager why she got nothing. I often gave 20% for great service.
 
Giving you kudos for being very liberal and illustrating how ones performance should not matter.

I don't eat out much any more, but I use to before o'failure took over and created mediocrity and called it success. Ok sorry for the rant but when I did eat out I tipped based on performance. I walked up to a buss boy and handed him $5 once because I couldn't bring myself to tip the fem nazi who decided to propel her views upon me over dinner. I couldn't in good concisous stiff the buss boy but I certainly told the manager why she got nothing. I often gave 20% for great service.

you stopped going out to eat because of a presidential election? that must suck.
 
Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

This is the first time I've heard that the owner takes a cut! How is that justified? :shock: It seems to me that it might cause the help to consider not turning in all their tips! Fair is fair!

Good morning Lady P - I have heard of it here, however, it may be illegal in the US as it should be here. The owner's have their hands on the tips because in high end restaurants or where a bill is relatively large, the tip is often if not mostly included in a credit card payment which the owner has to give to the servers later.
 
Out for a parade and a cookout. :2wave:

Back later this afternoon.

Be well.
 
Because of the new normal he sales as "recovery" and how little it affords me to spend. I eat why I grow and shoot.


you stopped going out to eat because of a presidential election? that must suck.
 
I prefer the culture of no tipping, like in Japan. Quality service is not sacrificed by doing such. Tip jars are like guilt trips to many customers and they are popping up in some of the most ridiculous places nowadays.

 
Giving you kudos for being very liberal and illustrating how ones performance should not matter.

I don't eat out much any more, but I use to before o'failure took over and created mediocrity and called it success. Ok sorry for the rant but when I did eat out I tipped based on performance. I walked up to a buss boy and handed him $5 once because I couldn't bring myself to tip the fem nazi who decided to propel her views upon me over dinner. I couldn't in good concisous stiff the buss boy but I certainly told the manager why she got nothing. I often gave 20% for great service.

A lot of other people work in their service industry and they don't get tips, it's their job. Why should I pay 20% for someone to do their job? I don't tip the server at Tim Horton's to get my coffee I also don't tip the guy at the bookstore for getting me a book. It's their job why should I pay them extra to do it.
 
I work as a server and I don't mind it so much. Though, it would be nice if people around here knew what a decent tip was.
 


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My position is pay servers a living wage, charge what the food is worth, and forget tips.

As for "motivation for good service", I'm one of those "is having a job motivation enough for good service, or would you rather be fired" folks. Do your job, do it well, and get paid according, or gtfo. :)
 
well im not sure about other states,but texas allows employers to pay less than minimum wage to those who can collect tips.

i dont feel sad for them,i knew a pizza delivery guy who made over 1000 a week off of tips,most waitresses here in texas make more off tips than i do working a skilled trade.

in any business except those that take from tips,anyone making tips would make better money just off tips than working an 18 dollar an hour job.plus tips are taxed much different than standard income,making it even more apealing,i see no reason to have to pay them full minimum wage.
 
Minimum wage is just another example of counter productive government interference and prevention of free market economics.

Do you not care that because I'm forced to pay you more than your natural market worth I end up hiring less people overall? Do you not care that due to being forced to overpay one group of people, another group will be left completely unemployed for the foreseeable future?

Edgar the Exploiter - YouTube
 
Minimum wage is just another example of counter productive government interference and prevention of free market economics.

Do you not care that because I'm forced to pay you more than your natural market worth I end up hiring less people overall? Do you not care that due to being forced to overpay one group of people, another group will be left completely unemployed for the foreseeable future?

Edgar the Exploiter - YouTube

Your comments presume that employers would hire 5 people if they only need 3 simply if wages are less. I call BS. If an employer only needs 3, they'll only hire 3.
 
Your comments presume that employers would hire 5 people if they only need 3 simply if wages are less. I call BS. If an employer only needs 3, they'll only hire 3.

No, my comment implies that I might need 5, and there might be 5 people willing to work for what I'd like to offer, but instead I'll only hire 3. Watch the video, it explains the concept clearly.

Or, to put it another way: Minimum wages create an artificial economy where wages aren't tied to worker productivity in any way. In the long term, that can only cause harm.
 
Yes, they should be allowed to pay less than minimum wage in tip jobs. Anyone who's ever stayed at a resort where tips are included? Or where they add 15% onto the checks for dinner? Knows that tips are the only things that motivate excellent service.

Personally, when I tip it's a kind of thank-you for good service, between me and the server. I don't want to subsidize the owner so he can pay his people less. If I knew that was happening I'd stop tipping and if everyone did the place would eventually not be able to get servers.
 
Servers always complain about the inequity in tipping. Some customers tip well, some tip crap, but it all evens out. They complain about the crappy tippers, of course.

However ask a server if they would forgo tips for a higher wage, and virtually every one I have ever asked this question says, "Not no, but hell no." They know that, in spite of their complaints, they do better when their tips are averaged into hourly averages than they would if they got only a straight hourly wage... even if the hourly wage were significantly above minimum wage.

The majority of waiters/waitresses I know may complain about their hourly salary, but in most cases they rely on the money they get from tips than their normal pay. Why? Because although they are suppose to report their tips not only to their boss but on their taxes, few do. And that means more "unreported income" for them.

Now, the flip side to this argument is if the waiter/waitress doesn't bring home enough in tips to make ends meet their normal pay usually isn't enough to make up the difference. So, it's a catch-22...damned if they complain too loudly, damned if they keep their mouth shut and don't make enough in tips to cover their expenditures. To put it mildly, most folks who work for tips would rather get paid that way than on a typical average wage because depending on how things go (i.e., holiday, special occasion, major sporting event, etc.) they stand to make more money in a few days than some folks make in a week at or even above minimum wage.

I guess when it really comes down to it, if you're good at what you do in whatever industry you do it in be it restaurant, night club, cabby, barber or even shoeshine boy, the tips should role in. And if you're able to keep most of it all to yourself, you make out like a bandit...literally. :) To sum it up, I'd say tips are "extra" income for "a job well-done". So, my answer would be "NO". An honest day's work for an honest day's pay. But when you're being paid for less than your worth, the customer's make up the difference which really shouldn't be a "difference maker" in pay at all. It's earnings- an added bonus as it were - for good customer service.

Note: I mistakenly voted "Yes" when I meant "No".
 
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