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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I vote no. My tip is intended as a reward for the server, not a subsidy for the owner.
    That's how I look at it. If someone gives me good service they get a good tip, if I get crappy service they get no tip since I don't think their work merited it. A tip should be a private reward between customer and server, not a means of primary income for the server from the perspective of the employer.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree, but the server has to *EARN* the tip, it should never be something that's simply expected because they did their job. A tip ought to be a reward for going above and beyond the call of duty.
    after having to deal with customers during jobs in college, anything short of the server throwing the glass at my head seems "above the call of duty." i won't tip if they forget to take my order or do something horrible. otherwise, i go twenty plus percent and chalk it up for good karma. i'd feel a lot better if my tip wasn't subsidizing a $2.13 per hour base salary, though. i'm not one of those who thinks that we can make the minimum wage $100 an hour and that everyone will be instantly rich, but i think there should be one, and that people shouldn't be allowed to cheat and not pay it.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    after having to deal with customers during jobs in college, anything short of the server throwing the glass at my head seems "above the call of duty." i won't tip if they forget to take my order or do something horrible. otherwise, i go twenty plus percent and chalk it up for good karma. i'd feel a lot better if my tip wasn't subsidizing a $2.13 per hour base salary, though. i'm not one of those who thinks that we can make the minimum wage $100 an hour and that everyone will be instantly rich, but i think there should be one, and that people shouldn't be allowed to cheat and not pay it.
    Sorry, I don't tip for bad service and there's a lot of bad service out there. Waiting a half-hour for a drink refill is bad service, in fact, lots of servers bring your food... eventually... and vanish, never to be seen again. Those people never get a tip from me. A tip is a reward, it has to be earned. These people are being paid for their service, not for their mere presence. I tip well for people who earn it, I do not tip for people who do not. In fact, for people who do not earn it, I may have a talk with the manager.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    after having to deal with customers during jobs in college, anything short of the server throwing the glass at my head seems "above the call of duty." i won't tip if they forget to take my order or do something horrible. otherwise, i go twenty plus percent and chalk it up for good karma. i'd feel a lot better if my tip wasn't subsidizing a $2.13 per hour base salary, though. i'm not one of those who thinks that we can make the minimum wage $100 an hour and that everyone will be instantly rich, but i think there should be one, and that people shouldn't be allowed to cheat and not pay it.
    Exactly! It's extremely frustrating to go above and beyond for someone who thinks 10% is a good tip. I personally think we should pull pictures off of security cameras of people who are ****ty tippers or don't tip at all and like put it on a website by region, that way the customer gets exactly what they pay for...
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sorry, I don't tip for bad service and there's a lot of bad service out there. Waiting a half-hour for a drink refill is bad service, in fact, lots of servers bring your food... eventually... and vanish, never to be seen again. Those people never get a tip from me. A tip is a reward, it has to be earned. These people are being paid for their service, not for their mere presence. I tip well for people who earn it, I do not tip for people who do not. In fact, for people who do not earn it, I may have a talk with the manager.
    Some people prefer it that way. Bring the food, keep my drink full. Let me eat.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Some people prefer it that way. Bring the food, keep my drink full. Let me eat.
    Which is fine, so long as they bring the food and keep the drink full. I mean servers that take forever to bring the food and your glass sits empty the whole time.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is fine, so long as they bring the food and keep the drink full. I mean servers that take forever to bring the food and your glass sits empty the whole time.
    Exactly, if I give bad service I don't expect a tip. I don't give bad service very often, but it happens, but as I said. People here in Redneck Town, Alabama think 10% is great; ya, it's not. So, it get's frustrating to do great and get 2 dollars.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    biggest tip I ever gave in terms of % was 100 and the service was lousy. It wasn't the servers fault though. I was in a pub for lunch and there had to be 200 people there looking around there was only 3 servers for the whole place (normally there is at least 12-15. People were yelling at the guy constantly while he was running his ass off. He was polite with everyone even the a**holes who were screaming at him (and wasting his time making everyone else's service even slower). This was, if anything, managements fault for not having enough staff or not closing down part of the pub to have the servers deal with a manageable # of tables. Was some of the slowest service I ever had but the guy was polite and obviously was trying his hardest. Sometimes there are reasons for slow service, sometimes there isn't.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Virtually every server I have ever known does NOT report all their tips to the IRS. They have to report something, because 0% is simply not believable, but they don't report it all.

    I have seen a recent trend on some pro-tipping websites promoting that customers who pay their checks via credit cards to separate and leave the tip in cash, precisely so the exact amount is hidden and non-traceable. 8% is expected by the IRS (or was, it may have since changed), but most customers tip way beyond that.

    Personally, I find that offensive. They're actively advocating recruiting customers to be accomplices in tax evasion.
    I don't see it that way...tax evasion. I see it just the opposite.

    Customer's aren't required to tip their servers. As such, why should the server be required to report the tip to the IRS or even their employer? Now, some night club owners get around this (or should I say "get away with it") by charging their "hostages" and showgirls a monthly maintenance fee OR they charge a percentage of their tips. The former I can understand because you're providing room for the lady to store and maintain her customers (if we can call it that) among other things. And then there's the "tip" for the DJ and the bouncer (which is usually a collective effort by the ladies).

    The premise behind tipping is "a fair exchange ain't no robbery"...performance (service) for value (entertainment). You could make the same argument for waiters and waitresses...service (they take your order, bring you your food and drink) for value (fair market price for good food and drink). But to say that because these people in such service related jobs are "cheating the IRS" is non-sense. If you don't want to leave a tip either because the service was lousy or just out of principle, then don't do it. (But in the case of the latter, you'd better hope your waiter/waitress doesn't remember your face on your next visit. Otherwise, you might want to take caution before you take that first bite of your hamburger or sip of that iced tea - sweet or unsweet.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Exactly, if I give bad service I don't expect a tip. I don't give bad service very often, but it happens, but as I said. People here in Redneck Town, Alabama think 10% is great; ya, it's not. So, it get's frustrating to do great and get 2 dollars.
    You have to remember, it isn't what you consider good service that matters, it's what your customer considers good service. They make their own subjective determinations and pay appropriately what they think your service is worth to them.
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