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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Don't even get me started on tip jars. I have seen them at drive-thru windows.
    I worked my way through college as a waiter in a high-end restaurant. I worked for the tips (not minimum wage). The paltry paycheck (at the lower tier minimum wage) I got from my employer made good scratch paper.

    My compensation/motivation in the job, however, were the tips. It took me three years working for a big CPA firm in New York before I was making what I was making on tips alone in that restaurant job. Accordingly, I have no problem with the two tiered minimum wage structure, with tips considered a part of the wait-staff's compensation.

    Their are certain jobs where tips are custom (waiters, doorman, bell-hops, room-service, taxi, airport baggage handlers) and I can accept that. I do, however, get very annoyed at every Tom,Dick and Harry sticking a tip jar out in front the cash register. I do not tip at Starbucks or retail stores. Those jobs are minimum wage. If they want more money, they should demand it from their employer. When my attorney stuck a tip jar out in front of the receptionist desk.... well, that was really over the top (...and yes, that was an over the top story, as that has yet to happen... but seems to illustrate the trend).

    OTH, staying at an old New York hotel not long ago, I encountered an elevator operator (all he did was push the button and hold the door), who I know was expecting a tip. Sorry, while this was once a tippable job, it shouldn't even been a job.... he got a smile and a thanks from me, but that was all.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Are you even capable of thinking outside the Constitutional box for the purposes of discussion?
    well what would be the point, becuase i would be thinking outside the supreme law of the land, and no law in higher than that.

    i dont mean to demagog your thread, but i dont understand asking questions....... should something be allowed, when the whole matter is illegal.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I worked my way through college as a waiter in a high-end restaurant. I worked for the tips (not minimum wage). The paltry paycheck (at the lower tier minimum wage) I got from my employer made good scratch paper.

    My compensation/motivation in the job, however, were the tips. It took me three years working for a big CPA firm in New York before I was making what I was making on tips alone in that restaurant job. Accordingly, I have no problem with the two tiered minimum wage structure, with tips considered a part of the wait-staff's compensation.

    Their are certain jobs where tips are custom (waiters, doorman, bell-hops, room-service, taxi, airport baggage handlers) and I can accept that. I do, however, get very annoyed at every Tom,Dick and Harry sticking a tip jar out in front the cash register. I do not tip at Starbucks or retail stores. Those jobs are minimum wage. If they want more money, they should demand it from their employer. When my attorney stuck a tip jar out in front of the receptionist desk.... well, that was really over the top (...and yes, that was an over the top story, as that has yet to happen... but seems to illustrate the trend).

    OTH, staying at an old New York hotel not long ago, they still have elevator operators (all he did was push the button and hold the door), who I know was expecting a tip. Sorry, while this was once a tippable job, it shouldn't even been a job.... he got a smile and a thanks from me, but that was all.
    I'm still not sure why taxi drivers should be tipped.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    That's how it is in the vast majority of states, currently. Most states allow tipped employees to be paid an hourly wage less than minimum wage. Many of those, if not all, require that the employer make up the difference if the tips do not equal minimum wage, but in all my years inside and outside the restaurant industry I have never seen or heard of an employer actually doing so. Only a handful of states mandate paying of minimum wage for tipped employees. The question is, is this a good practice that should be continued, or should it be abolished?

    Yes.
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    Don't know.

    Please note this is not a question about the minimum wage itself as a broad topic, nor is it a question about free market agreements between employers/employees, etc.

    I say no.Minimum wage laws should apply to tipped employees.There is no telling how well someone will tip or whether or not a customer will actually tip or if they will make enough tips to account for the taxes taken out of their paycheck.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'd make two observations here:

    1. I think it's almost criminal for businesses where tips are traditional for the business to pool tips and divy them up amongst all the staff, not just those who "serve" and in some cases the owner actually takes a cut.

    2. I personally make a habit of tipping 20% and subtract from that based on the quality of service provided. If there is a mandatory percentage tip added on to the bill, I find out before I order, and I leave the restaurant and inform the host/owner of the reason why I'm leaving. Only government is legally able to "tax" my income and discretionary spending.
    Good morning, CJ.

    This is the first time I've heard that the owner takes a cut! How is that justified? It seems to me that it might cause the help to consider not turning in all their tips! Fair is fair!

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well what would be the point, becuase i would be thinking outside the supreme law of the land, and no law in higher than that.

    i dont mean to demagog your thread, but i dont understand asking questions....... should something be allowed, when the whole matter is illegal.
    The premise of the thread is based on real world scenarios, not Constitutional theory. Said Constitutional theory may indeed be theoretically (and even technically) correct, but it's not being applied in today's real world, and we have other forums and threads to discuss said Constitutional theory.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    At a bar I used to frequent, on the weekends they'd put an employee on a stool in the men's room to hand you a paper towel. Sitting next to him was a pile of cheap peppermints and a tip jar.
    The Playboy Clubs used to do that. I was on a date at the Playboy Club in Chicago -- I excused myself to "visit the ladies' room," and he handed me $5. WTF?? "What's this for?" "The lady in the restroom," he said. Class act, I thought.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The premise of the thread is based on real world scenarios, not Constitutional theory. Said Constitutional theory may indeed be theoretically (and even technically) correct, but it's not being applied in today's real world, and we have other forums and threads to discuss said Constitutional theory.
    alright sir, i will respect your thread, and not post anything else to it.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The Playboy Clubs used to do that. I was on a date at the Playboy Club in Chicago -- I excused myself to "visit the ladies' room," and he handed me $5. WTF?? "What's this for?" "The lady in the restroom," he said. Class act, I thought.
    If giving money to a woman is classy, I should be on a Dos Equis commercial.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    They should just pay them minimum wage and drop the idea of tips all together.
    Giving you kudos for being very liberal and illustrating how ones performance should not matter.

    I don't eat out much any more, but I use to before o'failure took over and created mediocrity and called it success. Ok sorry for the rant but when I did eat out I tipped based on performance. I walked up to a buss boy and handed him $5 once because I couldn't bring myself to tip the fem nazi who decided to propel her views upon me over dinner. I couldn't in good concisous stiff the buss boy but I certainly told the manager why she got nothing. I often gave 20% for great service.

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