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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    As a restaurant owner,I have no problem paying my employees minimum wage as long as people here have no problem paying a dollar or two more per dish.I don't get my ingredients for free.I offered to pay my waiters and server minimum wage,but since they average out to $500-600 a week on tips,I guess they don't want to take a pay cut.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't buy that. Many people work without being tipped, and give excellent service. And it doesn't mean tips will stop. Some will still tip.
    I agree with this, but I believe the entitlement mentality has encroached so completely in some industries (i.e.: food service, especially) that now some actually use it as an excuse to purposely give bad service. It didn't used to be this way.

    I used to ask the question: What's next? Do I tip the toll taker at the toll booth for taking my money when I cross the toll bridge?
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I have heard stories of people being arrested for refusing to pay the mandated tip, but only second-hand. Of course, even if the cop is over-zealous doesn't necessarily mean he's right.

    Unless you didn't get your food at all, how did you not get the service you paid for? They only promise service. Nowhere is it implied that it will be good service. "Good" is subjective.
    A dispute like that is a matter for the courts, not the police.

    There is always a standard implied whenever you purchase any good or service. "Good" is subjective and that's why disputes like that are handled by the courts. People are constantly suing one another because things they bought didn't live up to the implied standard.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    As a restaurant owner,I have no problem paying my employees minimum wage as long as people here have no problem paying a dollar or two more per dish.I don't get my ingredients for free.I offered to pay my waiters and server minimum wage,but since they average out to $500-600 a week on tips,I guess they don't want to take a pay cut.
    As a former restaurant owner I understand... to a point. There are a handful of states that do not allow wages less than minimum wage, and menu prices in those states aren't any higher (on average) than in states that do pay lower wages.

    To your point, though, I would actually be happier if I could pay a few dollars more then not have to bribe the server for good service. It would be worth it to me and make my overall dining experience much more enjoyable.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    As a restaurant owner,I have no problem paying my employees minimum wage as long as people here have no problem paying a dollar or two more per dish.I don't get my ingredients for free.I offered to pay my waiters and server minimum wage,but since they average out to $500-600 a week on tips,I guess they don't want to take a pay cut.
    Personally, I would pay several dollars more to dine in a restaurant with a professional waiting staff who take pride in their job. Waiters seem to personify the "good enough" mentality these days.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I agree with this, but I believe the entitlement mentality has encroached so completely in some industries (i.e.: food service, especially) that now some actually use it as an excuse to purposely give bad service. It didn't used to be this way.

    I used to ask the question: What's next? Do I tip the toll taker at the toll booth for taking my money when I cross the toll bridge?
    Just requires retraining.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    As a restaurant owner,I have no problem paying my employees minimum wage as long as people here have no problem paying a dollar or two more per dish.I don't get my ingredients for free.I offered to pay my waiters and server minimum wage,but since they average out to $500-600 a week on tips,I guess they don't want to take a pay cut.
    Reporting tips and the less than minimum wage are both sort of honor systems and we know how that works. I voted yes and think that as long as the playing field is level, each of us is well served by the system. There are always exceptions.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    As a former restaurant owner I understand... to a point. There are a handful of states that do not allow wages less than minimum wage, and menu prices in those states aren't any higher (on average) than in states that do pay lower wages.

    To your point, though, I would actually be happier if I could pay a few dollars more then not have to bribe the server for good service. It would be worth it to me and make my overall dining experience much more enjoyable.
    Like I said,I put the offer on the table (all my employees get bennies,by the way) and it was rejected by the waiters.
    My restaurants check averages are int the $45 per customer range.Which is pretty good for casual fine dining.If either of you don't mind paying $50 a plate,I have no problem selling it to you.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Personally, I would pay several dollars more to dine in a restaurant with a professional waiting staff who take pride in their job. Waiters seem to personify the "good enough" mentality these days.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Like I said,I put the offer on the table (all my employees get bennies,by the way) and it was rejected by the waiters.
    My restaurants check averages are int the $45 per customer range.Which is pretty good for casual fine dining.If either of you don't mind paying $50 a plate,I have no problem selling it to you.
    I believe you. Earlier in the thread I talked about how, as much as servers complain about the day-to-day inconsistency of their tips, they always balk when higher wages / less tips is proposed. For all their complaining, they know they'd lose out in the long run.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    As a restaurant owner,I have no problem paying my employees minimum wage as long as people here have no problem paying a dollar or two more per dish.I don't get my ingredients for free.I offered to pay my waiters and server minimum wage,but since they average out to $500-600 a week on tips,I guess they don't want to take a pay cut.
    How would that be a pay cut? You can pay them minimum wage, or anything above the tip credit wage if you want, and that has nothing to do with tips. A few states don't allow tip credit and the wait staff receive at least min wage and still get tips.

    Or were you suggesting a no tip policy and pay min wage. (which makes no business sense).
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