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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Waiters should be put to the same standards as any other service worker including myself, they should be expected to their job correctly without having to be paid extra. I would have to drive a decent amount of time to work in a restaurant and there are no high end ones as I don't live close to a high end area. I am paid minimum student wage which is 9.60$/hour while the full minimum wage is 10.25$/hour.
    Why try to drag others down to your level? Work your way up to theirs. It's customary to tip 15% in Canada. *shrug*

    I'll bet you get tipped once in a while. Do you give it back? Do you have a tip jar on the counter? They do here.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why try to drag others down to your level? Work your way up to theirs. It's customary to tip 15% in Canada. *shrug*

    I'll bet you get tipped once in a while. Do you give it back? Do you have a tip jar on the counter? They do here.
    I get tipped by my friends who will give me usually a toonie. We do have a tip jar but most people just put small change like nickels and dimes even then it's rare (I have never seen anyone put anything larger) but we never see any of that money. It's not about dragging people down to my level it's about people doing their god damn job.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I have heard conflicting stories regarding opposition to this. I have heard of some who object and the restaurant backs down. I have heard some who object, and have the police called on them.
    The only thing the police can do in that situation is refer the matter to the courts.

    There is no real difference between being charged for a service you didn't receive and being charged for a product you didn't receive.

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    There is a reason it is called minum wage . Not the minum of minum wage

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They deserve every penny if they're either waiting on that many people a week or working in that high-end of a restaurant. It's hard work.
    What exactly is hard about waiting on tables?

    I did it in college. It's a matter of writing down an order, getting it to the kitchen, then delivering the food.

    The best part is no matter how crappy you are at it, society dictates you be paid your wage plus a 15-25% tip!

    I could literally have screwed up everything yet still find sympathy in complaining about only getting a 10% tip.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    What exactly is hard about waiting on tables?

    I did it in college. It's a matter of writing down an order, getting it to the kitchen, then picking up the food.

    The best part is no matter how crappy you are at it, society dictates they be paid their wage and 15-25% tip!
    Society doesn't dictate anything. If you get crappy service? You don't even leave a tip. If all you did was write down an order, deliver it to the kitchen and pick up the food, I'm sure you don't think it's difficult. But that is hardly what waitstaff does of a shift.

    Waiters and waitresses are the faces of any restaurant. They are the "actors in a play." Their job is to make their customers' dining experiences pleasant one, handle complaints and turn a crabby customer into a friend, to anticipate their needs, to sell the daily specials thereby helping their employer use up leftovers and specially-priced product, help the restaurant increase the check amount through careful attention to drink refills and selling desserts. Keep water glasses full. Coffee cups. They double-check the kitchen staff to make sure orders are correct and cooked to customer request, and one helluva lot more. With a smile and a personality that assures customer retention and a terrific dining experience for every one of their guests.

    In between, before or after they're doing all that? They're either bussing the tables themselves or making sure their bus staff is prompt and thorough in doing so, refilling condiments on tables, making sure seats and tables are clean, cleaning their service stations and a variety of other cleaning tasks as assigned by their employers.

    So. If that's "all you did" in college when you worked as waitstaff in a restaurant? You didn't learn a thing.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Society doesn't dictate anything. If you get crappy service? You don't even leave a tip. If all you did was write down an order, deliver it to the kitchen and pick up the food, I'm sure you don't think it's difficult. But that is hardly what waitstaff does of a shift.
    I know many waitstaff that would adamantly disagree with you.

    Waiters and waitresses are the faces of any restaurant. They are the "actors in a play." Their job is to make their customers' dining experiences pleasant one, handle complaints and turn a crabby customer into a friend, to anticipate their needs, to sell the daily specials thereby helping their employer use up leftovers and specially-priced product, help the restaurant increase the check amount through careful attention to drink refills and selling desserts. Keep water glasses full. Coffee cups. They double-check the kitchen staff to make sure orders are correct and cooked to customer request, and one helluva lot more. With a smile and a personality that assures customer retention and a terrific dining experience for every one of their guests.
    Maybe in the 50s. Today, you couldn't plead for that kind of service. I've said before that most waitstaff view tips as mandatory these days, not discretionary. It's no longer "to insure prompt service". It's "gimme my money, I'm your waitress".

    In between, before or after they're doing all that? They're either bussing the tables themselves or making sure their bus staff is prompt and thorough in doing so, refilling condiments on tables, making sure seats and tables are clean, cleaning their service stations and a variety of other cleaning tasks as assigned by their employers.
    Where the hell are YOU eating that waitresses bus their own tables? I literally never see that. I see bus boys do that job exclusively.

    So. If that's "all you did" in college when you worked as waitstaff in a restaurant? You didn't learn a thing.
    Kinda hoping that people don't become waiters/waitresses to "learn something".

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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    The only thing the police can do in that situation is refer the matter to the courts.

    There is no real difference between being charged for a service you didn't receive and being charged for a product you didn't receive.
    I have heard stories of people being arrested for refusing to pay the mandated tip, but only second-hand. Of course, even if the cop is over-zealous doesn't necessarily mean he's right.

    Unless you didn't get your food at all, how did you not get the service you paid for? They only promise service. Nowhere is it implied that it will be good service. "Good" is subjective.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I know many waitstaff that would adamantly disagree with you.

    Maybe in the 50s. Today, you couldn't plead for that kind of service. I've said before that most waitstaff view tips as mandatory these days, not discretionary. It's no longer "to insure prompt service". It's "gimme my money, I'm your waitress".

    Where the hell are YOU eating that waitresses bus their own tables? I literally never see that. I see bus boys do that job exclusively.

    Kinda hoping that people don't become waiters/waitresses to "learn something".
    Maybe the Chicago area has more potential employees to choose from so has better employees. I don't know. But even at $20 breakfast family-type restaurants, we experience excellent service. Many of them bus their own tables. Not all. But they certainly do their own station clean-up. *shrug*

    We go to all kinds of restaurants....from a $35 dinner to a $200 dinner (for two). We get excellent service; and they're doing exactly the kinds of things I wrote about. Maybe you need to upscale your choices.

    As to "learning something"? Are you kidding me?? People who don't learn from their (very often first) job at a restaurant are idiots.
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    Re: Should employers be allowed to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Society doesn't dictate anything. If you get crappy service? You don't even leave a tip. If all you did was write down an order, deliver it to the kitchen and pick up the food, I'm sure you don't think it's difficult. But that is hardly what waitstaff does of a shift.

    Waiters and waitresses are the faces of any restaurant. They are the "actors in a play." Their job is to make their customers' dining experiences pleasant one, handle complaints and turn a crabby customer into a friend, to anticipate their needs, to sell the daily specials thereby helping their employer use up leftovers and specially-priced product, help the restaurant increase the check amount through careful attention to drink refills and selling desserts. Keep water glasses full. Coffee cups. They double-check the kitchen staff to make sure orders are correct and cooked to customer request, and one helluva lot more. With a smile and a personality that assures customer retention and a terrific dining experience for every one of their guests.

    In between, before or after they're doing all that? They're either bussing the tables themselves or making sure their bus staff is prompt and thorough in doing so, refilling condiments on tables, making sure seats and tables are clean, cleaning their service stations and a variety of other cleaning tasks as assigned by their employers.

    So. If that's "all you did" in college when you worked as waitstaff in a restaurant? You didn't learn a thing.
    Agree with Maggie that serving is harder than simply writing stuff down and taking plates and drinks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I know many waitstaff that would adamantly disagree with you.

    Maybe in the 50s. Today, you couldn't plead for that kind of service. I've said before that most waitstaff view tips as mandatory these days, not discretionary. It's no longer "to insure prompt service". It's "gimme my money, I'm your waitress".

    Where the hell are YOU eating that waitresses bus their own tables? I literally never see that. I see bus boys do that job exclusively.

    Kinda hoping that people don't become waiters/waitresses to "learn something".
    Agree with Gipper that tipping has become an entitlement mentality.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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