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Thread: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison?

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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Sexual offenders are sometimes "often?" pathological offenders. They are put on registries for the safety of the public. Violent offenders often aren't pathological, either involved in an escalated confrontation or taking revenge on an act that went unpunished. THe other violent offenders would be those who were thrust into the circumstance, I.E a home invader with no intentions of fighting someone is forced to engage in physical violence or be killed by the home owner. I see no logical reasons to disenfranchise felons post-rehabilitation.
    I don't want to put trust on "often." I think after time enhanced consequences are merited, doing the crime forfeits the right to own a gun post release.

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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Nope, they shouldn't be allowed to vote either.
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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't want to put trust on "often." I think after time enhanced consequences are merited, doing the crime forfeits the right to own a gun post release.
    "Often" suggests the majority, and denying rights to the majority based upon the actions of the minority is certainly questionable in practice.
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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Sexual offenders are sometimes "often?" pathological offenders. They are put on registries for the safety of the public. Violent offenders often aren't pathological, either involved in an escalated confrontation or taking revenge on an act that went unpunished. THe other violent offenders would be those who were thrust into the circumstance, I.E a home invader with no intentions of fighting someone is forced to engage in physical violence or be killed by the home owner. I see no logical reasons to disenfranchise felons post-rehabilitation.
    We're talking violent felons with an apparent pre-disposition to violence. We're also talking about our criminal rehabilitation system or lack thereof. Most matriculate in the can. We punish but we really don't rehab so when the time is served, it doesn't mean the problem has been cured. To me recognizing that fact says clearly not to give violent felons access to guns.

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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    If they can't they shouldn't be released from prison. Goshin is right, the system needs an overhaul.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We're talking violent felons with an apparent pre-disposition to violence. We're also talking about our criminal rehabilitation system or lack thereof. Most matriculate in the can. We punish but we really don't rehab so when the time is served, it doesn't mean the problem has been cured. To me recognizing that fact says clearly not to give violent felons access to guns.
    My post followed along the previous suggestions of an alternative criminal sentencing that practiced rehabilitation as opposed to punishment. Sorry for making such an equivocal post.
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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I disagree, I think that there should be enhanced consequences and certain privileges/right not being extended to convicted criminals. If you commit a violent felony it should be reasonable, under due process, to remove that person's gun rights after they have served their time. Felons can't vote, sex offenders are put on registries, and I don't think it's unreasonable to keep someone who committed a violent crime from owning a gun.

    Except that it doesn't. Keep them from owning a gun, I mean. They still can and many do, just not legally.


    I'm saying if we can't trust them with a gun, don't let them out at all.... because if they want one, they'll get one.

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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Under our current "legal justice system" I have reservations about restoring all rights to a convicted violent felon.


    First I'd prefer to reform the system, so that the incorrigibles are either executed or put away somewhere secure and unpleasant for life, while those felons who are fixable are incarcerated in rehabilitation facilities and are not released until there is solid evidence of real reform.

    If that were how our system worked, then once released from custody I would expect the reformed felon to have all his rights restored to him.



    Even under our current system, the rule against felons owning guns is something of a bad joke. I've known felons to re-arm themselves within 24 hours after release. Best to assume anyone you cut loose into society WILL re-arm himself if he chooses to do so. The fact that they can't legally buy from a dealer doesn't slow them down in the slightest.




    In a country like the USA where there are about as many guns of all types as people, any criminal who wants a gun will have little trouble finding one.

    Criminals don't let laws stop them from doing what they want to do.

    They are in the crime business.

    Unfortunately for the rest of us.

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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Except that it doesn't. Keep them from owning a gun, I mean. They still can and many do, just not legally.


    I'm saying if we can't trust them with a gun, don't let them out at all.... because if they want one, they'll get one.
    Your avatar being the perfect fictional case-in-point.

    It's not every day a violent felon can twice escape a tipple-max prison and at the end of a long series of well-timed events find themselves commanding an interstellar armada and religion.

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    Re: Should a convicted violent felon be allowed to own guns after release from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Nope, they shouldn't be allowed to vote either.
    So I presume you mean they won't have to pay taxes anymore, seeins how they aren't being represented by the govt if they can't vote.

    Taxing people without representation would be hypocritical , dontcha think?

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