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    Impeachable Offense

    Is denying Americans the right to life without due process an impeachable offense?
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Is denying Americans the right to life without due process an impeachable offense?
    It should be.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Are wars. legal systems and accidents included? Because if they are, everyone would be impeached.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    It should be.
    I'd have to agree with you here. In terms of the actual "scandals" going on, this in terms of the highest law of the land is the worst. I don't see it ever happening, partially because the GOP won't impeach over a national security issue, but Obama just FLAT UP ADMITTED that we assassinated 4 Americans without due process.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Are wars. legal systems and accidents included? Because if they are, everyone would be impeached.
    This is in the subtle context of drone assassinations. Furthermore, accidents aren't really denying in the sense that the government isn't actively taking your life.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    When you phrase it that way, this sounds like an abortion thread. Let me phrase it my way. Ordering the killing of American citizens by the military without trial should not be allowed. Whether the appropriate way to enforce that is impeachment of the commander in chief, I don't know. If it takes something that drastic to put a stop to it, probably. But the US government should not be in the business of using the military to kill people without trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Are wars. legal systems and accidents included? Because if they are, everyone would be impeached.
    I am 100% okay with holding our leaders criminally liable for starting wars. They should have to prove necessity in order to do so. Emergency situations to current hostile attacks are obviously necessary, as would actions to counter immediate threats of hostile action. Anything else should be much more rigorously scrutinized.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I'd have to agree with you here. In terms of the actual "scandals" going on, this in terms of the highest law of the land is the worst. I don't see it ever happening, partially because the GOP won't impeach over a national security issue, but Obama just FLAT UP ADMITTED that we assassinated 4 Americans without due process.
    Obama has definitely normalized this type of "criminal justice".
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    When you phrase it that way, this sounds like an abortion thread. Let me phrase it my way. Ordering the killing of American citizens by the military without trial should not be allowed. Whether the appropriate way to enforce that is impeachment of the commander in chief, I don't know. If it takes something that drastic to put a stop to it, probably. But the US government should not be in the business of using the military to kill people without trial.
    Under COTUS, technically the unborn aren't citizens and not granted such rights. Some states may attempt to change that, but right now, the unborn do not have a right to due process. I see the value in using drones to remove threats that are impractical to remove otherwise, but at the same time our highest law of the land flat up states you cannot do that.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    OK, now that the topic is revealed I'll stay on topic.

    No. Within the USA, I would be very upset if due process was eliminated, although I fear it may already have been.

    Overseas, war is war. It doesn't matter who is killed by the military although presumably there should be some basis for the action. If you are actively engaged in warfare against us, I don't care what country you are a citizen of. Bombs away.

    I don't have the impression that this has been a casual decision by the CIC. Drones are a tool of war. Will this come back to haunt us? Yes, I think so bvut not because we killed Americans but because we vuolated other countries sovereignty and someday they may return the favor.




    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This is in the subtle context of drone assassinations. Furthermore, accidents aren't really denying in the sense that the government isn't actively taking your life.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    It will never be impeachable in these particular circumstances.

    Now at the end of the day.

    When it comes to impeachment and talk of impeachment, the far Right Wing generally has been playing semantics all these years.

    But this one is a very valid concern.

    How does the President get away with the very serious ramifications of ending a citizens life without due process.

    Now sometimes it's done by law enforcement when that law enforcement faces imminent danger and has to waste a guy.

    But in this particular case, this was a cold, hard decision made by the executive branch in essence to execute a citizen without a trial... grave questions must be asked about these actions and yet they're not being asked.

    I believe in part.

    There is a silent consent among many on this board and perhaps many in the US because the guy was an Islamic Terrorist.

    The citizenship and constitutional aspects of this case fall away for quite a few people because of that.

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