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Thread: Impeachable Offense

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And yet they did not rescinded their citizenship at any stage of your scenario. I realize you want to kill them, so you're looking for a way to get past due process, but that is just your own twisted mind getting the better of you.
    Being an enemy combatant without surrendering is resisting arrest, is it not? Isn't deadly force authorized in eliminating the threat of someone who is armed, dangerous, and cannot be apprehended, in wartime or otherwise?
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Being an enemy combatant without surrendering is resisting arrest, is it not? Isn't deadly force authorized in eliminating the threat of someone who is armed, dangerous, and cannot be apprehended, in wartime or otherwise?
    That's a stretch you have to at least make the attempt to apprehend a suspect, not just drop a bomb on his head from a robot plane.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Being an enemy combatant without surrendering is resisting arrest, is it not? Isn't deadly force authorized in eliminating the threat of someone who is armed, dangerous, and cannot be apprehended, in wartime or otherwise?
    Are you really comparing a life and death situation that a police officer has to make decision on with the president ordering someone to be killed?

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The drone strikes were ordered by _ _ _ _ _.
    The deputies were ordered to the scene by _ _ _ _ _ _ _.

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    Are you really comparing a life and death situation that a police officer has to make decision on with the president ordering someone to be killed?
    Do you really not understand the comparison? In both instances, we have an American citizen who poses an immediate and credible threat to the safety of other Americans, a citizen who refuses to surrender to the proper authorities.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The deputies were ordered to the scene by _ _ _ _ _ _ _.
    He didn't order the deputy to shoot. Guess who did?

    Do you really not understand the comparison? In both instances, we have an American citizen who poses an immediate and credible threat to the safety of other Americans, a citizen who refuses to surrender to the proper authorities.
    No, I don't understand a self defense issue where the officer has a gun point at him being compared to a national security issue where no one has a gun pointed at anyone.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He didn't order the deputy to shoot. Guess who did?
    He ordered the deputy to subdue the suspect. You're splitting hairs and you know it.

    No, I don't understand a self defense issue where the officer has a gun point at him being compared to a national security issue where no one has a gun pointed at anyone.
    So if a guy has a gun, it's okay to kill him to save Americans, but if the guy is actively engaging in warfare against Americans, arming those who would do harm against us with explosives, then we should politely ask him to stop?

    I'm sorry, but I find your logic to be rather strange.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We don't have a right to life per se.
    I extremely disagree with that. We do have a right to life, it is a natural right.

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    (You looked that up, didn't you! I had to do the same. Ha! "Life, Liberty and all that.)

    To have it out in the open is certainly precedent. I'm not sure it's ever been admitted to before. But I'm sure it's been done.

    To answer your question, there are times when I think they do have that right. There are times when American citizens trump their citizenship by becoming enemy combatants.
    In regard to the bolded, al Awlaki was still a US citizen, legally speaking, when he was killed. (Was Anwar al-Awlaki still a U.S. citizen? | FP Passport)
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I extremely disagree with that. We do have a right to life, it is a natural right.

    In regard to the bolded, al Awlaki was still a US citizen, legally speaking, when he was killed. (Was Anwar al-Awlaki still a U.S. citizen? | FP Passport)
    I couldn't argue much with life being a "natural right." It has nothing to do with government, however. As to Anwar al-Awlaki, as I said in my post, he was an enemy combatant. His being a citizen didn't change that.
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    Impeachable Offense

    If the government knows one of these turds is there, then due process could be a citizenship hearing to revoke citizenship prior to shooting. That would be due process enough for me.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    If the government knows one of these turds is there, then due process could be a citizenship hearing to revoke citizenship prior to shooting. That would be due process enough for me.
    I think it falls into the category of defending the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. That is enough for me.
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