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Thread: Impeachable Offense

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Is denying Americans the right to life without due process an impeachable offense?
    If you are talking about the drone attacks, the answer is no. These U.S. citizens became enemy combatants as surly as any Nazi soldier during WWII, but worse. They are traitors, subversives and saboteurs. As enemy combatants, citizenship become irrelevant. No one would hesitate to kill an American Citizen serving the Nazi's, these folks are in the same category.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's a damn good question, but I don't see how that alone is a reason to effectively ignore COTUS.
    At the point in which American citizens are actively engaging in warfare against us then they aren't just criminals. They have, for all intents and purposes, rescinded their own citizenship and are resisting arrest until the moment that they surrender to the US. I think that high treason should be tried just like any other crime, but if someone leaves the country to join a hostile force it is not only practical but reasonable to kill them without trial. If they are captured that's a different story.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's a damn good question, but I don't see how that alone is a reason to effectively ignore COTUS.
    I think we need to subject the concept itself to strict scrutiny. The State can restrict or deny any right so long as it can demonstrate a compelling State interest in doing so. That is a pretty high standard, but I think the State interest in defending the nation from terrorists roaming and plotting freely meets that criteria. I also think the fact that the actions required to provide due process in these situations constitutes an undue, and frankly unacceptable, burden also works in the State's favor. With that in mind, I do believe that there should be greater oversight and judicial review of each case. Unfortunately, the Constitution does not permit trial in absentia, or I would strongly support that option.
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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    I think it depends on the situation. If an American citizen joins a terrorist organization and conspires to kill Americans or has killed Americans I'm fine with them being targeted and killed as an enemy combatant.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    At the point in which American citizens are actively engaging in warfare against us then they aren't just criminals. They have, for all intents and purposes, rescinded their own citizenship and are resisting arrest until the moment that they surrender to the US. I think that high treason should be tried just like any other crime, but if someone leaves the country to join a hostile force it is not only practical but reasonable to kill them without trial. If they are captured that's a different story.
    And yet they did not rescinded their citizenship at any stage of your scenario. I realize you want to kill them, so you're looking for a way to get past due process, but that is just your own twisted mind getting the better of you.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it depends on the situation. If an American citizen joins a terrorist organization and conspires to kill Americans or has killed Americans I'm fine with them being targeted and killed as an enemy combatant.
    Still an American citizen. They still have the right to due process.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Still an american citizen. They still have the right to due process.
    I disagree, I think as an American enemy combatant your citizenship shouldn't give you immunity.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I disagree, I think as an American enemy combatant your citizenship shouldn't give you immunity.
    And yet the constitution makes no such distinction.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And yet the constitution makes no such distinction.
    One could argue that the killing is done in self defense. Would it be alright for a private citizen to kill an American terrorist as an act of self defense. They are an enemy combatant, as an American they have also committed treason.

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    Re: Impeachable Offense

    Actually, this thread raises another important question that I don't see anyone ever ask. Why is the default position people hold for the punishment for treason alway seems to be death? Furthermore, why is everyone always so hostile about it? What are you guys? Puppets of the state?

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