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  • I am a liberal, and I support public exposure of non-profit donations and/or spending.

    3 42.86%
  • I am a liberal, and I do not support public exposure of non-profit donations and/or spending.

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  • I am a conservative, and I support public exposure of non-profit donations and/or spending.

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Thread: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

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    Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    In light of the scandal regarding the IRS deciding who gets scrutinized for tax exemption, im curious as to whether there is even support for the taxation of any non profit, and specifically the exposure of who gives money to these groups, and how these groups spend their money. As a libertarian, I dont care who wants to give money to a group, or how that group spends its money. Its none of my business. Your thoughts?

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    As a libertarian, I dont care who wants to give money to a group, or how that group spends its money. Its none of my business. Your thoughts?
    It only becomes my business when they are given a tax exemption status and their political contributions thereby become tax-deductible, so to speak.

    Our tax codes are a mess. Let's all just admit that. And Congress?? They bemoan, bitch and complain about the very regulations they put in place.
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It only becomes my business when they are given a tax exemption status and their political contributions thereby become tax-deductible, so to speak.

    Our tax codes are a mess. Let's all just admit that. And Congress?? They bemoan, bitch and complain about the very regulations they put in place.
    But if they are a non profit, why shouldnt they be tax exempt? Or rather, why should polticial advocacy be taxed?

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But if they are a non profit, why shouldnt they be tax exempt? Or rather, why should polticial advocacy be taxed?
    Political advocacy in the form of cash and in-kind donations is taxed. I run a charity that feeds and cares for stray dogs. It's tax-exempt because I'm doing good works, right? Well, what if my donations amount to $5 billion a year? $200,000 goes towards caring for strays and the other $4.8 billion goes to the Republican Party tax-free. Hmmmm.....
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It only becomes my business when they are given a tax exemption status and their political contributions thereby become tax-deductible, so to speak.

    Our tax codes are a mess. Let's all just admit that. And Congress?? They bemoan, bitch and complain about the very regulations they put in place.
    Contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations generally aren't deductible. If you're a business you can buy advertising on their site or a poster at one of their events and deduct that but you can't just hand them a check and deduct it.
    Donations to Section 501(c)(4) Organizations

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Political advocacy in the form of cash and in-kind donations is taxed. I run a charity that feeds and cares for stray dogs. It's tax-exempt because I'm doing good works, right? Well, what if my donations amount to $5 billion a year? $200,000 goes towards caring for strays and the other $4.8 billion goes to the Republican Party tax-free. Hmmmm.....
    If you did that you would no longer be operating in your stated charitable function and you would lose your non-profit status.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Where is the poll for independents who aren't partisans?

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Political advocacy in the form of cash and in-kind donations is taxed. I run a charity that feeds and cares for stray dogs. It's tax-exempt because I'm doing good works, right? Well, what if my donations amount to $5 billion a year? $200,000 goes towards caring for strays and the other $4.8 billion goes to the Republican Party tax-free. Hmmmm.....
    Right, what is wrong with that? Why should donating money to a non profit be taxed, and why should the public be able to see who you donated money to?

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Where is the poll for independents who aren't partisans?
    Im attempting to determine whether there is a ideological difference in how liberals vs conservatives feel about public exposure of political activities.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Right, what is wrong with that? Why should donating money to a non profit be taxed, and why should the public be able to see who you donated money to?
    Basically, campaign contributions are limited, to reduce corruption.

    What FAR too many 501(c)(4)s do is perform the EXACT SAME ACTIVITIES formerly done by campaigns themselves. With no reporting of donor names. So its just a loophole to get around campaign finance laws.

    So the campaign gets the same services performed, it just doesn't pay for them directly, and those who wish to invest in politicians are no longer prevented from doing so by the law.

    501(c)(4)s also provide the benefit of deniability. "That wasn't me, it was that PAC."

    If you don't think money has an undue influence on our politics, and is at the heart of a lot of the country's problems, you aren't thinking clearly.

    Money is SO concentrated that the "impossible" isn't even difficult.

    Just the couple trillion sidelined in the economy recently could have handed a billion a piece to the 700 or so on capital hill and STILL had a couple of trillion.

    And I doubt ANYBODY could TRULY resist a billion. Justification would be EASY.
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