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  • I am a liberal, and I support public exposure of non-profit donations and/or spending.

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  • I am a conservative, and I support public exposure of non-profit donations and/or spending.

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Thread: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The federalist papers were controversial wisdom.

    Campaign investments are legal bribery.

    See the difference?
    Direct contributions to political campaigns are strictly limited. And the names of contributors are in the public domain.
    (I wish they were not: my better half will never forgive me for giving money to the Giuliani campaign - even though I gave much more to Ron Paul and a bunch of local libertarian-Republican candidates in that sordid year).

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Direct contributions to political campaigns are strictly limited. And the names of contributors are in the public domain.
    (I wish they were not: my better half will never forgive me for giving money to the Giuliani campaign - even though I gave much more to Ron Paul and a bunch of local libertarian-Republican candidates in that sordid year).
    And they contribute a huge amount more anonymously.

    By contributing to various tax exempt groups who perform EXACTLY the same activitites as campaigns, ads for instance.

    So its a simple workaround of donation limits.

    So we limit DIRECT contributions but allow unlimited anonymous "INDIRECT" contributions, rendering the limits irrelevant.
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So we limit DIRECT contributions but allow unlimited anonymous "INDIRECT" contributions, rendering the limits irrelevant.
    And how are going to draw the line? Say, I want to say something. About that overfilling Dumpster next door. Oops, it is the election season. You cannot possibly buy a page in the local paper and criticize the Mayor, you right-wing extremist. Just sit back and smell...the roses.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    And how are going to draw the line? Say, I want to say something. About that overfilling Dumpster next door. Oops, it is the election season. You cannot possibly buy a page in the local paper and criticize the Mayor, you right-wing extremist. Just sit back and smell...the roses.
    Flip the coin.

    I buy as many ads as I want smearing a competitor, anonymously and speciously, convincing low information voters a saint is an asshole, when its really my guy who is the asshole, I just want him in for my development permit or whatever. (Which is how it works now)
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    I'm all for non-profits claiming and receiving tax exempt status. However, the requirement should be for ANYONE with such status to make public where every single non-taxed cent comes from. Don't like it, pay your taxes and we'll stop asking.

    End runs around the political contribution laws by the tax exempt orgs should be whacked down and lose their status as soon as they're revealed.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    All political contributions should be on the books.

    Monsanto just bought the White House and got legal immunity snuck into the budget. This is COMPLETELY unacceptable. If political contributions were more transparent, we could follow the money trail to prove that manipulation has happened.

    Stop calling them political contributions. They're bribes. If someone gives you money in exchange for passing a law, it's a bribe. We just need to make one simple law, that bribing government officials is illegal, and we might just be able to save our country.

    Actually, you know what, **** it... the U.S. is a sinking ship. After the Monsanto Act, I have lost all hope.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Nah, if yer gonna get the benefits/protections of incorporation, you gotta pay for it.

    No government freebies, right?
    I pay for it as a individual.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Our elections should take place within a rigidly controlled, and very short, publicly funded timespan. Like only a couple of months. Like only September and October. Keep the money out, keep the endless campaigning out, and we should actually start prosecuting these big companies for all the damage they have done. They are the true international terrorists. They seize the food supply, pollute the air and water, feed us dangerous chemicals and processed foods that make us sick, monopolize the information we hear, recklessly operate their plants, factories, and drilling platforms and then get away without repercussions when they inevitably malfunction and kill people, and pillage the wealth of the nation. And they buy our politicians in order to do it. And we do nothing.
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    IMO, money has corrupted politics.
    So, NO money should be involved..
    A tax increase and limited(very limited) government financed political campaigns
    will this work ?
    are we ready for this ?

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In light of the scandal regarding the IRS deciding who gets scrutinized for tax exemption, im curious as to whether there is even support for the taxation of any non profit, and specifically the exposure of who gives money to these groups, and how these groups spend their money. As a libertarian, I dont care who wants to give money to a group, or how that group spends its money. Its none of my business. Your thoughts?
    I support knowing who gives money to who. There are loads of laws on the books for this. Except that is not the point of the IRS scandal. The conservative groups felt interrogated by the IRS. It's not just a matter of applying for tax exempt status. The IRS has a rigorous application process for this and it could be done in a much more transparent way, by posting the status of all the groups online and what questions they are being asked...
    There's no greater irony than a Trump supporter pointing out hypocrisy; Unless it's Trump himself.

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