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  • I am a liberal, and I support public exposure of non-profit donations and/or spending.

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  • I am a conservative, and I support public exposure of non-profit donations and/or spending.

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Thread: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Basically, campaign contributions are limited, to reduce corruption.

    What FAR too many 501(c)(4)s do is perform the EXACT SAME ACTIVITIES formerly done by campaigns themselves. With no reporting of donor names. So its just a loophole to get around campaign finance laws.

    So the campaign gets the same services performed, it just doesn't pay for them directly, and those who wish to invest in politicians are no longer prevented from doing so by the law.

    501(c)(4)s also provide the benefit of deniability. "That wasn't me, it was that PAC."

    If you don't think money has an undue influence on our politics, and is at the heart of a lot of the country's problems, you aren't thinking clearly.

    Money is SO concentrated that the "impossible" isn't even difficult.

    Just the couple trillion sidelined in the economy recently could have handed a billion a piece to the 700 or so on capital hill and STILL had a couple of trillion.

    And I doubt ANYBODY could TRULY resist a billion. Justification would be EASY.
    That would be bribery, and I never suggested doing away with transparency in the money elected politicians receive. Im asking why the public needs to know if I give $100 to the NRA.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    That would be bribery, and I never suggested doing away with transparency in the money elected politicians receive. Im asking why the public needs to know if I give $100 to the NRA.
    That's where the problems arise.

    There are geoups like the NRA or AARP, that do work which furthers a GROUPS causes.

    Then there are groups which are simply "fronts" for partisan politics. Formed solely to allow enormous anonymous campaign investments.

    Fraud is RAMPANT in non-profits. Fake churches, charities, campaign money.laundering.

    So what're you gonna do?
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    That's where the problems arise.

    There are geoups like the NRA or AARP, that do work which furthers a GROUPS causes.

    Then there are groups which are simply "fronts" for partisan politics. Formed solely to allow enormous anonymous campaign investments.

    Fraud is RAMPANT in non-profits. Fake churches, charities, campaign money.laundering.

    So what're you gonna do?

    I'm under the impression that it is currently completely legal to bribe politicians as long as the bribe is referred to as a campaign donation. I always want to know who has legal title to my Congressman's vote. Monsanto or JPMorganChase or Exxon/Mobil and without transparency I don't know who is really pulling my chain. The big Corporations don't want transparency because they might be targetted by types such as the recent Boston bombers who might take offense to the fact that the vote can be bought and sold. But that is our contemporary circumstance. Bummer!

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    That's where the problems arise.

    There are geoups like the NRA or AARP, that do work which furthers a GROUPS causes.

    Then there are groups which are simply "fronts" for partisan politics. Formed solely to allow enormous anonymous campaign investments.

    Fraud is RAMPANT in non-profits. Fake churches, charities, campaign money.laundering.

    So what're you gonna do?
    Investigate invividuals and ignore groups. The purpose of taxation is to collect money to pay for govt services, not to decide who and who isnt legitimate.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Investigate invividuals and ignore groups. The purpose of taxation is to collect money to pay for govt services, not to decide who and who isnt legitimate.
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Investigate invividuals and ignore groups. The purpose of taxation is to collect money to pay for govt services, not to decide who and who isnt legitimate.
    Look up "universal life church".

    They would(will?) ordain anybody.

    Then you could declare yourself a church and pay not taxes.

    They've clamped down now, but the point is, the IRS has to figure out who is legitimate and who isn't. Otherwise, EVERYBODY will just declare themselves tax exempt.

    Unless you do away.with tax exemption altogether.
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Look up "universal life church".

    They would(will?) ordain anybody.

    Then you could declare yourself a church and pay not taxes.

    They've clamped down now, but the point is, the IRS has to figure out who is legitimate and who isn't. Otherwise, EVERYBODY will just declare themselves tax exempt.

    Unless you do away.with tax exemption altogether.
    I
    would do away
    with corporate taxes
    altogether. If you declare
    yourself a church
    and collect a salary or wage,
    you pay taxes on it.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In light of the scandal regarding the IRS deciding who gets scrutinized for tax exemption, im curious as to whether there is even support for the taxation of any non profit, and specifically the exposure of who gives money to these groups, and how these groups spend their money. As a libertarian, I dont care who wants to give money to a group, or how that group spends its money. Its none of my business. Your thoughts?
    As a libertarian, you could have added more options to the list, for us non-schizophrenic folks who do not understand how one can be "liberal" or "conservative", in the modern American sense, without splitting in half and walking in two different directions.

    To answer the question, anonymity of political speech is at the very root of our national experience. The Federalist Papers had no signatures.

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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I
    would do away
    with corporate taxes
    altogether. If you declare
    yourself a church
    and collect a salary or wage,
    you pay taxes on it.
    Nah, if yer gonna get the benefits/protections of incorporation, you gotta pay for it.

    No government freebies, right?
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    Re: Ideological Support for Political Spending Transparency

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    As a libertarian, you could have added more options to the list, for us non-schizophrenic folks who do not understand how one can be "liberal" or "conservative", in the modern American sense, without splitting in half and walking in two different directions.

    To answer the question, anonymity of political speech is at the very root of our national experience. The Federalist Papers had no signatures.
    The federalist papers were controversial wisdom.

    Campaign investments are legal bribery.

    See the difference?
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