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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

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    Asians too?!!!!!
    Oh, yes.

    Minnesota as a whole is pretty damn white, but Minneapolis is as diverse as any city, and in some ways, especially so.

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    Desensitisation begets it's own dangers. Being inured to prejudicial conduct increases the likelihood of dismissing it where it manifests more subtly, rendering it an even worse oversight for it being a conscious choice rather than a lack of familiarity. Add to that the potential for organised contentious groups to proliferate in the face of this self-imposed apathy. It may be that over-education creates more problems then none at all. Not that indifference and complicity are to be encouraged of course, but that perspective could become an issue where race is formally instituted as a universal baseline, via undue emphasis.

    Race issues ought to be stressed as products of inequality. Not as opportunities for application where none previously existed. In other words, they should be reiterated as problems to be resolved. Not as conditions to be maintained into perpetuity.

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    MLK advocated a color-blind society, so I'd think he would be proud. The idea was for a person's race to cease to be a thing of any importance; therefore if society loses all notion of racial stereotypes then how could it not be a good thing?
    In that case, we wouldn't describe it as being oblivious.

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    Other, because I really don't think it matters. People need to stop being offended at every little thing. If someone is genuinely ignorant of something, instead of being a complete tool by berating them, and shouting "racist!", people just need to tell the guy. Getting offended and butt hurt by menial crap is just as bad as the jackass who doesn't know [s]he said something offensive to that person.
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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I picked "other" in the poll, because I don't think it's necessarily either good or bad to be oblivious to racial stereotypes. As you explored in the post I quoted, that could mean a lot of different things, some of which are bad, some of which are not. I'll add another wrinkle:

    I was watching a comedy special by a guy named Jim Jeffries recently. And as part of his routine, he was telling a story about being on a plane and getting into a contentious argument with this big black guy sitting next to him. The black guy, who had the aisle seat, was taking the inside armrest that under normal rules of plane etiquette typically belongs to the guy in the middle seat (in this case Jim Jeffries). Eventually the flight attendant comes over and decides to split these guys up. Since the big black guy was more in the wrong, she told him he needed to find another seat somewhere further back in the plane. At this point Jim - who is Australian - stands up and shouts triumphantly "get to the back of the plane!"
    To a black man. On a US flight.
    Now, most of the people on the plane hadn't really heard the altercation, but surely did hear a white dude loudly telling a black man to get to the back of the plane. This did not sit well with the other passengers. Jim, being Australian, didn't realize what he'd done initially. So was it better that Jim didn't really realize how racist that sounded? Personally I have no idea. But it was damn funny.
    Unless Jim crawled out from under a rock yesterday he knew exactly what he was saying. It's not as if there's no racism in Australian society and standing up and triumphantly telling a black guy to get to the back of the plane can only have one implication.

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    It all comes down to intent (conscious and/or subconscious) and perception, the old puzzle of how humans communicate.

    There are folks who will ALWAYS hear racism from a person of another race, those who are flat out racist, those who don't want to be racist at varying positions on the path, and those that can be, at least for parts of their lives, past it.

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Unless Jim crawled out from under a rock yesterday he knew exactly what he was saying. It's not as if there's no racism in Australian society and standing up and triumphantly telling a black guy to get to the back of the plane can only have one implication.
    Oh dear god. I'm not saying he didn't figure it out pretty quickly (he did, after all, use it in his show). It just didn't jump out at him right away. And why would it? The back of the bus thing is a piece of US history. It's uniquely meaningful to us. Foreigners aren't necessarily going to immediately make the connection to Rosa Parks. Also, it's a comedy show. Lighten up.

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Oh dear god. I'm not saying he didn't figure it out pretty quickly (he did, after all, use it in his show). It just didn't jump out at him right away. And why would it? The back of the bus thing is a piece of US history. It's uniquely meaningful to us. Foreigners aren't necessarily going to immediately make the connection to Rosa Parks. Also, it's a comedy show. Lighten up.
    Lighten up?
    The back of the bus thing is known about wherever people speak English and read newspapers. I'm a foreigner, to you, and I know about Rosa Parks. It's not an obscure reference. I've been to Australia and I'll guarantee you it 'jumped out at him right away'. The only difference between Australian and American racists is the ones in Oz don't hide or minimize or apologize. They just flat-out are.

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    Re: Is it a good thing to be oblivious of racial stereotypes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Lighten up?
    The back of the bus thing is known about wherever people speak English and read newspapers. I'm a foreigner, to you, and I know about Rosa Parks. It's not an obscure reference. I've been to Australia and I'll guarantee you it 'jumped out at him right away'. The only difference between Australian and American racists is the ones in Oz don't hide or minimize or apologize. They just flat-out are.
    Or you could get all butthurt about a comedy routine. That works too.

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