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  • Generally speaking, guns should be legal but drugs shouldn't

    6 16.22%
  • Generally speaking, drugs should be legal but guns shouldn't

    4 10.81%
  • Both should be legal

    25 67.57%
  • Both should be illegal

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  • Both should require a prescription/licence

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Thread: Guns vs Drugs

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    Guns vs Drugs

    It's my view that there are strong similarities between guns and drugs, and the way they should be handled in society. They can be used to kill, and they can be used to save lives. They can help people or hurt people depending on who uses them and their motive for doing so, and can generally be accessed by those determined to obtain them whether they are legal or not.

    Due to those views, I think you have to either be in favor of both being legal or illegal if you want to be consistent with your beliefs. This puts me in an awkward position when it comes to American politics, because it seems that (generally speaking) the left favors drugs but not guns, and the right favors guns but not drugs.

    I didn't include the option of "some but not all drugs/guns" in the poll because I think that is a separate discussion in itself. That's why I used the term "generally speaking" in the polling options.

    I made the poll to see how people actually feel about it, and would be especially interested to hear from people who support the legality of one but not the other and your reasons.

    I'd also be interested to hear people's thoughts on how someone with those views would be accepted into American society, and whether this issue in itself would doom me to a life of isolation if I were to live there.

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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    They should both be legal and easily obtained.
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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    Guns should be legal, drugs should be illegal.

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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    Last I checked, you can't use a joint for self-defense.

    There are some overlaps in terms of constituencies and liberal reasoning, but many of the fundamental justifications do not match.

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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    drugs should be illegal.
    Would I be right in guessing that you aren't including alcohol in this? If so why? It kills far more people than all illegal drugs combined.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek
    Last I checked, you can't use a joint for self-defense
    You're doing it wrong. Did you smoke it yourself, or give it to the guy who wanted to assault you?

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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Last I checked, you can't use a joint for self-defense.

    There are some overlaps in terms of constituencies and liberal reasoning, but many of the fundamental justifications do not match.
    Actually, pot has "saved" me more than once.

    Cutting through a.local canyon once I encountered a group of ypung Latinos. As they approached they were obviously talking about me and when they started to fan out I knew I was in teouble. Thinking fast I remembered I had some weed on me.

    So I simply called out to them asking if they had a.paper or a pipe. One of them did, smoking ensued, and suddenly I was "cool" with the local gang. Got invited to bbqs and everything.

    Much better outcome than if I'd had a gun.
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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    It's my view that there are strong similarities between guns and drugs, and the way they should be handled in society. They can be used to kill, and they can be used to save lives. They can help people or hurt people depending on who uses them and their motive for doing so, and can generally be accessed by those determined to obtain them whether they are legal or not.
    It seems that you are treating legitimate medicinal drugs as being in the same category as destructive “recreational” drugs. The distinction is vital, here. The drugs that can “save lives” and “help people” are not the same as “recreational drugs”, which only cause harm. For purposes of this discussion, I will ignore legitimate medicinal use of drugs, over which there is no significant controversy, and confine any discussion of “drugs” to the harmful “recreational” use thereof.

    Civilian ownership of arms is vital to protesting individual freedom and a free society; and it is for very good reason that the great men who wrote our Constitution included the right to do so in our Bill of Rights. Drugs fulfill no such function at all. The “recreational” abuse of drugs causes only harm, no good. You can argue that a person should be allowed the “right” to harm himself in this manner, along with any others who stand to be adversely affected by his doing so; but don't be fooled into thinking that by so arguing, you are in any way arguing anything comparable to the importance of upholding the right to keep and bear arms.


    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    …(generally speaking) the left wrong favors drugs but not guns, and the right favors guns but not drugs.
    This is nothing more than a narrow part of a broader difference between the right and the wrong. The right favors genuine, essential freedoms, such as the right to keep and bear arms, the right to hold and express controversial beliefs and opinions, property rights, and so on, while the wrong favors “freedoms” that are based on generally harmful, degrading things, such as pornography, drug abuse, sexual immorality, socialism, and so on.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    The ownership of both should be legal. The use of both should be legal. The abuse of both should be illegal.

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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It seems that you are treating legitimate medicinal drugs as being in the same category as destructive “recreational” drugs. The distinction is vital, here. The drugs that can “save lives” and “help people” are not the same as “recreational drugs”, which only cause harm. For purposes of this discussion, I will ignore legitimate medicinal use of drugs, over which there is no significant controversy, and confine any discussion of “drugs” to the harmful “recreational” use thereof.

    Civilian ownership of arms is vital to protesting individual freedom and a free society; and it is for very good reason that the great men who wrote our Constitution included the right to do so in our Bill of Rights. Drugs fulfill no such function at all. The “recreational” abuse of drugs causes only harm, no good. You can argue that a person should be allowed the “right” to harm himself in this manner, along with any others who stand to be adversely affected by his doing so; but don't be fooled into thinking that by so arguing, you are in any way arguing anything comparable to the importance of upholding the right to keep and bear arms.




    This is nothing more than a narrow part of a broader difference between the right and the wrong. The right favors genuine, essential freedoms, such as the right to keep and bear arms, the right to hold and express controversial beliefs and opinions, property rights, and so on, while the wrong favors “freedoms” that are based on generally harmful, degrading things, such as pornography, drug abuse, sexual immorality, socialism, and so on.
    If I can't grow pot or mix up whatever in my basement then where the hell are my property rights? Your statement is bull right there. If I can't do what I want with a consenting adult in my own bedroom then where are my property rights? What good is property if my bedroom is open for all to peek in and dictate what goes on in there?

    I don't think anyone is in favor of drug abuse just like no one is in favor of alcoholism.

    Pornography? So much for "the right to hold and express controversial beliefs".

    And so on ...
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    Re: Guns vs Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Last I checked, you can't use a joint for self-defense.
    You can if threatened by anorexia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    There are some overlaps in terms of constituencies and liberal reasoning, but many of the fundamental justifications do not match.
    So long as you are not infringing upon the rights of others, one should be free to do as they like.
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