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    Should we open the borders?

    We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.

    I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.

    Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.

    Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.

    No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.
    No. There should be a moratorium on immigration at least until every American who wants a job or education can get one. There should be no more work or student visas issued until we have full employment for our young people (~18-25) who are suffering the most from our current economic predicament.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Should we loosen the law, make it easier to get a visa, make it easier to become a citizen? Yes.
    Should we just open the border? No.


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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    No. There should be a moratorium on immigration at least until every American who wants a job or education can get one. There should be no more work or student visas issued until we have full employment for our young people (~18-25) who are suffering the most from our current economic predicament.
    Why should Americans be entitled to such special treatment? If someone is smarter, hungrier, harder working, then they should be able to come in to this country and take the job. That's what keeps us on top.

    We are a country of immigrants.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Should we loosen the law, make it easier to get a visa, make it easier to become a citizen? Yes.
    Should we just open the border? No.
    I can support that to a certain extent, such as letting illegal immigrants who came here when they were children who have lived here most of their lives get on the fast track to citizenship if they don't have any felonies on their record. I just think we should stop more new immigration for now.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Should we loosen the law, make it easier to get a visa, make it easier to become a citizen? Yes.
    Should we just open the border? No.
    I went to a top college, Duke, and there were many there who came from overseas. Many of the best and the brightest from around the world attend Duke. Many of my friends from overseas would have loved to have stayed and planted their roots in the United States, but, without corporate sponsorship, they were unable and had to return home.

    That, my friend, is a travesty. A complete waste. We need smart and talented people, or simply people willing to work hard (and you don't get in to Duke unless you're willing to work hard), and what do we do? We send them home.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why should Americans be entitled to such special treatment?
    To save our economy and the relative peace in the country.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    To save our economy and the relative peace in the country.
    People create jobs. And plus, immigrants are peaceful.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    In theory I am for open borders. However, I just don't see it working if other countries don't open their borders as well.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    People create jobs. And plus, immigrants are peaceful.
    Jobs are not infinite. And, most immigrants may be peaceful, that doesn't mean ALL immigrants are peaceful. Try and avoid generalizations?
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