Jowar
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My whole point is to open up the legal process.
How many people do you think this country can sustain with open borders?
My whole point is to open up the legal process.
How many people do you think this country can sustain with open borders?
A lot. We could probably sustain over a billion people, easily, so I wouldn't worry about it from that perspective.
My whole point is to open up the legal process.
We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.
I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.
Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.
Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.
No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
Easily? China has about the same amount of landmass as the US, they have over a billion people. They also have far more people going hungry. They also have a law which restricts a family to having 1 child and no more leading to far more abortions and often selective abortions in which boys are prefered over girls. You really want that for the US?
The only thing that would make your notion work is if every single other country did the same. And that is not going to happen at any time in the forseeable future.
Sounds nice doesn't it? Unless you actually think about it. Then its unrealistic.
99% of those that are against illegal immigration does not want to seal the border. They have no problems with legal immigration. They also know that you don't have to seal a border in order to prevent illegal immigration. No need for walls, just common sense laws and laws that are enforced.
Ahh, the race card. Typical pro-illegal response. Which is nonsense of course. The only anti-illegal alien folks out there that are xenophobic and racist are in the clear minority. The rest of us don't give a crap what race comes in legally or illegally and have absolutely no problem with people coming here LEGALLY no matter the race. We just want people coming here LEGALLY. Thats it.
We have no problem with people migrating legally. We have a problem with those that migrate into our country illegally. Whether everything about the process is artificial or not doesn't mean crap. Tornado's are natural also, doesn't mean we want them.
No, but the man asked how many people we could sustain. I answered correctly. If he meant to ask something else, he could have chosen his words more carefully.
If you make immigration legal, then you don't have a problem with "illegals" anymore.
You are the one that said "easily". Implying that we would have no problem. Are you correcting yourself now?
There will ALWAYS be illegals unless we have an open border. There will always be those that try to circumvent the law. I am against open borders not because of the immigrants. But because of economical concerns.
Again you need to be reminded, immigration IS legal already.
No, we need to shut the borders harder and deport people here illegally.
People are a resource. More people = more wealth.
Peter Grimm said:No, the total GDP of the USA is much higher than China or India, so we can roughly assume that the United States could sustain a billion people more comfortably than either China or India.
That, and had we more people, the GDP would likely grow along with the population.
I'm talking about relaxing immigration laws to make some who are now illegal, legal.
We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.
I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.
Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.
Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.
No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
No, the total GDP of the USA is much higher than China or India, so we can roughly assume that the United States could sustain a billion people more comfortably than either China or India.
That, and had we more people, the GDP would likely grow along with the population.
People are a resource. More people = more wealth.
What's the point? As you so nicely showed us we're doing twice China's GDP with half their population. Must be working for us.
For national security reasons I don't agree.
The USA must control its borders.
It is possible and we must do it.
There is a limit to everything. Even in the amount of people one country has and can sustain.
Plus you are assuming that each and everyone of those people will be productive and their kids will be productive. Hell, we're having troubles with our budget right now due to the huge amount of welfare and military that we are spending. What do you think its going to be like if the trend continues?
Where do you think all those products come from? Could it perhaps be the land? Where are people going to live if you invite 1 billion people into our country? Thats right...the land.