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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You could buy a nice house in 1980 for $50,000. The same house today costs you $200,00+.

    So tell me again about all this benefit we're getting?
    Come on, you know better than this. The housing market is based on supply and demand, and a dollar today isn't the same as a dollar in 1980.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    If the last 50 years had been spent pressuring 3rd world countries into improving standards of living instead of just using them as pawns in various global power struggles, there wouldn't be so many people wanting to leave their homes................

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    •••Maybe I misunderstood but I thought I heard some strong anti-immigration sentiment. So I may have been responding to an invisible monster.
    You just drank a little too much of the open borders koolaid which purports that to be against illegal aliens is to be against immigration and immigrants. It's a lovely meme but entirely false.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    •••Are you saying it is plausible to build a 2000 mile wall on the Mexican border? Can you amplify some middle-ground for me please?
    No, nor do we need to. With current law we could refuse pretty much all services to illegals, we do NOT do that now. The IRS could easily report the source and destinations of that income that is taxed and not claimed to the INS for investigation. Currently by law one must identify themselves if they are sending 10K to someone. Adjust that require to cover ANY amount sent to a foreign destination. Levy the fines, levy the fines, levy the fines. Enforce, enforce, enforce.

    We have seen what happens as states start to enforce their laws against illegals - the illegals leave and go to a state that doesn't enforce.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    •••So why is that? Were thy all paid off? Did they all determine it was best not to address this? Were they all incompetent? I'd like to think there is some rationale to this.
    Honestly don't know. My speculation is that it's a papa knows best move, but there are so many [conspiracy] theories as to why presidents do this (we're not the first to notice) that I find it hard to speculate.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    wooptee **** for you.

    In my youth I watched the textile industry of the South collapse and get sent overseas. I watched as millions of people lost good-paying jobs and ended up working for peanuts, or on welfare, or losing their homes. The economy in many parts of the south has STILL not recovered.
    The economy is better today than it was in 1980. Yes, there are some people who fail to adapt with the changing times, and those people get left behind. It has always been that way, though. Actually, the unemployment rate has been relatively unchanged for the past 50 years.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Next we should let those Ph.D engineers in India who make $5,000 a year compete with American engineers accustomed to making $100,000 a year or more...
    That's not some far-off, fanciful idea you have there. We're already doing this. My company just opened up an engineering competency center in India where we've hired something like 2000 full-time engineers. I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, those engineers should be allowed to immigrate to the USA so they can work more closely with us. It would make our company more efficient.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Come on, you know better than this. The housing market is based on supply and demand, and a dollar today isn't the same as a dollar in 1980.


    Is a dollar today worth $4 1980USD?

    It's lost a lot of value but not that much. And you're not taking into account that concrete masons were making $10-20/hr in 1980 and now get paid 7/hr in many cases, and the dollar devaluation THERE. So if labor costs (always a big chunk of expenses) have gone down so much, why are houses priced beyond the reach of nearly half the populace?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The economy is better today than it was in 1980. Yes, there are some people who fail to adapt with the changing times, and those people get left behind.




    That's not some far-off, fanciful idea you have there. We're already doing this. My company just opened up an engineering competency center in India where we've hired something like 2000 full-time engineers. I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, those engineers should be allowed to immigrate to the USA so they can work more closely with us. It would make our company more efficient.


    When you get fired in favor of an immigrant engineer who is willing to work for less than half what you make, let me know if you're still so enthused.


    A lot of folks around here have experienced this in their jobs.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    If the last 50 years had been spent pressuring 3rd world countries into improving standards of living instead of just using them as pawns in various global power struggles, there wouldn't be so many people wanting to leave their homes................
    Likewise if instead of invading our country illegally the last 50 years, the illegals had stayed in their host country and put in the work perhaps their host countries wouldn't be such ****holes.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Amnesty?
    No. My point, listen up and listen carefully, Rome evolved from the stratified society of the Republic to the more democratic society of the late Empire, just as the heavily stratified society of mid 1800s America evolved into the more democratic society we have today..................

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The economy is better today than it was in 1980. Yes, there are some people who fail to adapt with the changing times, and those people get left behind. It has always been that way, though. Actually, the unemployment rate has been relatively unchanged for the past 50 years.

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    And what do you suggest they do, Mr Grim? Starve? Tell a 55yo man with two kids in college, who has worked at the mill for 36 years and doesn't know any other trade that he's got to get with the times... while being unemployed.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    No. My point, listen up and listen carefully, Rome evolved from the stratified society of the Republic to the more democratic society of the late Empire, just as the heavily stratified society of mid 1800s America evolved into the more democratic society we have today..................
    Rome of the late empire was hardly democratic.

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