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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Despite your presumption of "American Exceptionalism" I seriously doubt that everyone in the world wants to move here.

    Right here on this board I've learned that we have an evil president, that we kill our own citizens at will, our taxes are too high, gay people are tongue-kissing, our IRS has gone rogue, we don't protect our citizens and everybody will get a free phone at your expense. I'm surprised we don't have an emigration problem. Maybe a wall.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    All 6 billion of them?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A government that does not protect its own citizens from foreigners is no longer a legitimate government.

    Do you want the majority of Americans working for fifty cents an hour like in some 3rd world countries?
    Economic protectionism is a failed model. I think Americans can compete with anybody in the world.

    I don't think we should fear competition from anybody. I think we should accept it as a challenge, and expect to win. That's how I approach it anyway.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I look at it from the other point of view. So the Mexicans took the cost of concrete masonry from $20/hr to $7/hr, thus lowering building costs, meaning we can have newer, nicer buildings.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nonsense.

    There is a virtual epidemic of drunken driving by certain categories of illegal immigrants, along with fatal car crashes in large numbers.

    There's MS13, and the other South American drug cartels, who are already striking murderously at our own law enforcement across the border.


    Do you even LIVE in the real world, here?
    You mean like the Italian mafia in the 1930's or the drunken Irish in the late 1800's?

    There is nothing new under the sun here. Those waves of immigrants made America better today, as will this current wave of immigrants.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I look at it from the other point of view. So the Mexicans took the cost of concrete masonry from $20/hr to $7/hr, thus lowering building costs, meaning we can have newer, nicer buildings.


    You could buy a nice house in 1980 for $50,000. The same house today costs you $200,00+.

    So tell me again about all this benefit we're getting?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Maybe ILLEGAL is the key word here.

    How about LEGAL immigrants. Are they Cartel members or chronic drunk drivers? Those who go to the time and trouble to immigrate legally are more likely to be excellent citizens. So why be anti-immigration? How about being anti-ILLEGAL immigration?
    I think there are very few if any here who are anti-immigration. In fact, from my own view, I love immigrants and love what they bring to the mix.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    There is no plausible way to "close the borders". There is just too much border. If you really don't want illegal immigrants, then it's time to issue National ID and require it for everything from renting a room, cashing a check, taking a plane, buying gas or eating in a restaurant. No papers, no service.
    The first statement is effectively incorrect. There is middle ground between what we have now enforcement wise and what you suggest, that's what some of us have been calling for from the beginning. And it wouldn't take any more regulation or laws than exists right now (perhaps with a couple exceptions).

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Have you noticed that not one administration has done anything whatsoever to reduce illegal immigration. Sheesh, Obama has had the most rigorous enforcement of all and you can see how well that has worked out.
    You betcha I've noticed, as have we all. Have you noticed that the majority of the American public has always been behind enforcing our immigration laws where it comes to illegals? NAFTA, CAFTA, moves to globalize, all things the American people have been against yet every POTUS in my lifetime has ignored the people on these fronts.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You are NOT describing the average illegal immigrant. You know that, right?
    Immigration is a broad topic that covers a diverse cross-section of the world's population. You have, on the one hand, what basically amount to nomadic migrants from northern Mexico, and, on the other hand, a brain-drain convergence on he United States by the world's best and brightest.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Do you actually believe there are islamic terrorists in Mexico?

    Holy **** bud it is KNOWN that terror suspects have crossed into the US via the Mexican border! Multiple cases!

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Do you actually believe there are islamic terrorists in Mexico?
    You do know that just because people come in from Mexico doesn't mean they are permanent residents of Mexico, right?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Immigration is a broad topic that covers a diverse cross-section of the world's population. You have, on the one hand, what basically amount to nomadic migrants from northern Mexico, and, on the other hand, a brain-drain convergence on he United States by the world's best and brightest.


    And you were ignoring the larger one in favor of the smaller one, but your proposal made no such distinction.

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