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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's not relevant, that's why I'm not answering you. It's none of your business. We're having a political debate here, you need to get on board with that.
    Sorry Bro but, if you are involved in breaking federal law, it's all of our businesses.

    Paint me suspicious.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Sorry Bro but, if you are involved in breaking federal law, it's all of our businesses.

    Paint me suspicious.
    I'm not your bro, first of all. Get it out of your mind that anyone owes you anything. Nobody owes you a job. You're not entitled. If you want something in life, go out there an earn it.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not your bro, first of all. Get it out of your mind that anyone owes you anything. Nobody owes you a job. You're not entitled. If you want something in life, go out there an earn it.
    I never said anything about anything being 'owed' to me.

    I own my business and have NEVER hired an illegal alien.

    You apparently can't say the same.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It was a hypothetical question, first of all. Second of all, since when are we followers of the rest of the world? Americans are leaders not followers. It's our job to set an example for the rest of the world.
    Silly. It's not a matter of being a follower but of recognising the reality that every other country on Earth recognises.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The whole idea that I owe anyone anything is ridiculous. If my fellow citizens want a job, then they need to market themselves accordingly.
    Since they're the only ones you can hire legally I suggest your thinking on this matter is not at all healthy for your business. Keep marketing yourself like that and your business will be defunct.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Silly. It's not a matter of being a follower but of recognising the reality that every other country on Earth recognises.
    That's called being a follower.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post

    Since they're the only ones you can hire legally I suggest your thinking on this matter is not at all healthy for your business. Keep marketing yourself like that and your business will be defunct.
    Again, we're not talking about my business. For the record, I don't own a business, and the one I work for doesn't employ illegals. Although, I shouldn't have to tell you that. We should be able to have a debate without all the personal crap.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's called being a follower.
    No, it's called operating from a common reality. Sorry if you can't understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Again, we're not talking about my business. For the record, I don't own a business, and the one I work for doesn't employ illegals. Although, I shouldn't have to tell you that. We should be able to have a debate without all the personal crap.
    I apologise, I thought you had said you had your own business, but looking back I see you made it a hypothetical. My comments stand for your hypothetical business. And no, even your hypothetical business shouldn't be hiring illegals.

    The brass tacks are, some of what you say you want, exists already, you just have some nebulous idea it should be "looser" somehow (though that's not possible without just openning the border and you say you don't want that). The parts you want that don't already exist, don't for good reasons that most of us posting here recognise.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If they're working, they're not on government assistance.

    Owned.
    Wrong. Many people that are working for minimum wage are on government assistance. Just because you're working does not mean that you are living without government assistance.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    I think the real question is, "Do our great corporations really need them?" Can they be useful? I think so. We on the far right need to get our lobby efforts going to make sure that they don't get any benefits from the government until they are a full citizen, and most importantly are exempt from minimum wage, health benefits, even OSHA compliance. We can use this to drive down the costs of wages and costs of doing business so we can make as much profit as possible in order to make a better standard of living for those who deserve it. Let's face it, the minimum wage is making us less competitive in the global free market. Will it cost some American's their job if we take it down? Sure it will, but first, who cares, and second, there are jobs all over the world. If you are not good enough for our great corporations, then try China's. If you can't offer something better to our great corporations than these poor immigrants, that's your problem. Fix it yourself.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's called operating from a common reality. Sorry if you can't understand that.



    I apologise, I thought you had said you had your own business, but looking back I see you made it a hypothetical. My comments stand for your hypothetical business. And no, even your hypothetical business shouldn't be hiring illegals.

    The brass tacks are, some of what you say you want, exists already, you just have some nebulous idea it should be "looser" somehow (though that's not possible without just openning the border and you say you don't want that). The parts you want that don't already exist, don't for good reasons that most of us posting here recognise.
    You know, following the herd is not always the right way to go. Just assess the situation based on its merits. If we bring in more people who are productive, that will benefit society. It has worked for us in the past. There is no reason it wouldn't work for us today.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse.

    If they brought millions of dollars worth of drugs and killed hundreds or even thousands of people to protect their illegal enterprise, we still wouldn't want them here. And many illegal aliens are near impossible to communicate with without a translator. If they did speak English, it would be nice, but it wouldn't fix the other problems. While it's true that most illegal aliens are poor folks in search of work, they bring with them murderers and drug lords. Opening the boarders wouldn't fix that problem, but enforcing already existing laws on illegals would help.

    And it's not about racism. Honestly I wouldn't have much of a problem with illegals coming over and taking jobs from the people here by offering to work for less than they would if it weren't for the fact that nearly a quarter of them are fleeing from the law to begin with. That was how the free market was supposed to work; if you won't offer to work for cheaper than the competition's price, you can look for work elsewhere. But no, it's not because their brown, it's because they carry a crime wave with them and it's very hard to trace them because the U.S. government doesn't know they exist.
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