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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Should we open the borders relative to where they are today? That was the question. It's not an all-or-none proposition.
    No, I just think we need to change the standard for who we let in and streamline the process.

    Emigration should be about directly benefiting this country; not providing a better life for the immigrant.

    It should be a quick yes or no process. You're either able to come to this country, buy a home, and support yourself or you're not.

    Come on in if you can but stay home if you can't.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And it's absurd. First we already have work visas that are easy to get if you meet the very simple requirements. No loosening needs to take place there, nor can it without openning otherselves up to even more abuse of the system. Second, no, just no. This is what amnesty achieves and it's been proven by history. We give illegals amnesty and they use that as an anchor to bring a multitude up with them. Heck, it's how illegals operate now. One comes up, gets hooked into the illegal alien support community here, gets settled and then starts bringing up the family. Have a kid or two and the family is safe from deportation under the current lack of enforcement rules. Then up come the grandparents and cousins and close friends.

    That's the story of the neighborhood that surrounds mine. I've seen it happen over the years.
    Say you're an immigrant from Mexico. You want to bring grandma over because, well, she's your ****ing grandma. People want and deserve to be near their family, that's normal.

    As long as you can pay for her healthcare, her food, her belongings, why should I want to stop you from bringing your granny to this country to live with you?

    If you learned to see Mexicans as people, you wouldn't have such a dehumanizing attitude toward them. Do you even know any of these neighbors of yours? Have you talked to them?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Say you're an immigrant from Mexico. You want to bring grandma over because, well, she's your ****ing grandma. People want and deserve to be near their family, that's normal.

    As long as you can pay for her healthcare, her food, her belongings, why should I want to stop you from bringing your granny to this country to live with you?

    If you learned to see Mexicans as people, you wouldn't have such a dehumanizing attitude toward them. Do you even know any of these neighbors of yours? Have you talked to them?
    Because granny then lives on social services. Because granny and the rest of the family and extended family are brought here illegally. Because the first person, you mislabel yet again as an "immigrant" is an illegal alien.

    And playing the racism card is blazingly stupid in this context. I have no problem with folks of different color or nationality immigrating legally and becoming American citizens. Considering my daughter is half Panamanian Indian and brown as a berry and at least one set of my grandparents are immigrants themselves, why would I.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because granny then lives on social services. Because granny and the rest of the family and extended family are brought here illegally. Because the first person, you mislabel yet again as an "immigrant" is an illegal alien.

    And playing the racism card is blazingly stupid in this context. I have no problem with folks of different color or nationality immigrating legally and becoming American citizens. Considering my daughter is half Panamanian Indian and brown as a berry and at least one set of my grandparents are immigrants themselves, why would I.
    You've twisted my scenario again.

    Either way. Is paying for an old lady's social services really the worst thing you can imagine? I'm about as right-wing as they come, but even I'm not going to deny a little old lady her food, shelter, and medicine.

    As for young people, if they're here, they should be working. If they're not working, they shouldn't be here. However, if they can get a job in the United States, they should be allowed to take it.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A lot. We could probably sustain over a billion people, easily, so I wouldn't worry about it from that perspective.
    With 47 million on government assistance, you think we could support a BILLION?

    Why don't you just confess that you want low wage workers for your business and get it over with. You're not fooling me.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You've twisted my scenario again.

    Either way. Is paying for an old lady's social services really the worst thing you can imagine? I'm about as right-wing as they come, but even I'm not going to deny a little old lady her food, shelter, and medicine.
    Your scenerio is twisted from the beginning, not my doing. And we're not talking about denying an old woman anything, we're talking about her being here illegally in the first place. Nice try in minimizing the issue though, we're also NOT talking about just one little old lady, but a horde of friends and familly almost all here illegally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    As for young people, if they're here, they should be working. If they're not working, they shouldn't be here. However, if they can get a job in the United States, they should be allowed to take it.
    No, they shouldn't. If they're illegals they should be deported plain and simple. Jobs are for citizens and guests with work visas.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    With 47 million on government assistance, you think we could support a BILLION?

    Why don't you just confess that you want low wage workers for your business and get it over with. You're not fooling me.
    If they're working, they're not on government assistance.

    Owned.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Jobs are for citizens
    And there it is. Your xenophobia on display.... the entitlement mentality run wild. Citizens are "entitled" to the jobs, in your world.

    Why? What makes an American any more worthy of a job than a Mexican?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Say you're an immigrant from Mexico. You want to bring grandma over because, well, she's your ****ing grandma. People want and deserve to be near their family, that's normal.

    As long as you can pay for her healthcare, her food, her belongings, why should I want to stop you from bringing your granny to this country to live with you?

    If you learned to see Mexicans as people, you wouldn't have such a dehumanizing attitude toward them. Do you even know any of these neighbors of yours? Have you talked to them?
    Who pays for granny if he stops being able or chooses not to?

    Screaming racism might make you feel better but I don't think it's really relevant here. I think most people who oppose poor Mexicans unable to care for themselves also oppose poor Canadians unable to care for themselves. The operative words and phrases are "poor" and "unable to care for themselves" not Mexican or Canadian.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I never said we ought to invite a billion people to live here, but we could easily sustain that number.




    You can choose to disbelieve if you want, but we have plenty of room. In the map above, you see that most people live on the east coast. Why? Not because the land in New England can sustain more people, but because that's where the first boats landed.

    If you have a billion people, then maybe California starts to resemble New England's current density, Texas starts to resemble California's current density, Colorado starts to resemble Texas' current density....

    You're talking about a little more than doubling the population, but we have from the Atlantic all the way to the Pacific to do it.
    You live in Texas yet have NO CLUE of how much water [only] it would take to support the numbers you suggest.

    Not o mention the condition of our roadways with all those newbies in our cities.

    You and the OP didn't think any of this through.

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