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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    People are a resource. More people = more wealth.
    Didn't you just contradict yourself?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm
    No, the total GDP of the USA is much higher than China or India, so we can roughly assume that the United States could sustain a billion people more comfortably than either China or India.

    That, and had we more people, the GDP would likely grow along with the population.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm talking about relaxing immigration laws to make some who are now illegal, legal.
    What's the point? As you so nicely showed us we're doing twice China's GDP with half their population. Must be working for us.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.

    I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.

    Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.

    Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.

    No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.





    For national security reasons I don't agree.

    The USA must control its borders.

    It is possible and we must do it.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No, the total GDP of the USA is much higher than China or India, so we can roughly assume that the United States could sustain a billion people more comfortably than either China or India.

    That, and had we more people, the GDP would likely grow along with the population.
    Where do you think all those products come from? Could it perhaps be the land? Where are people going to live if you invite 1 billion people into our country? Thats right...the land.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    People are a resource. More people = more wealth.
    There is a limit to everything. Even in the amount of people one country has and can sustain.

    Plus you are assuming that each and everyone of those people will be productive and their kids will be productive. Hell, we're having troubles with our budget right now due to the huge amount of welfare and military that we are spending. What do you think its going to be like if the trend continues?
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Didn't you just contradict yourself?
    No

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What's the point? As you so nicely showed us we're doing twice China's GDP with half their population. Must be working for us.
    read the op

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    For national security reasons I don't agree.

    The USA must control its borders.

    It is possible and we must do it.
    What national security concerns are those?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a limit to everything. Even in the amount of people one country has and can sustain.

    Plus you are assuming that each and everyone of those people will be productive and their kids will be productive. Hell, we're having troubles with our budget right now due to the huge amount of welfare and military that we are spending. What do you think its going to be like if the trend continues?
    Read my OP. I set conditions on what I think ought to be the bar for entrance to the USA. Having a job or having someone claim you as a dependent were conditions that I feel must be met.

    I'm not saying let in everybody and anybody.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Where do you think all those products come from? Could it perhaps be the land? Where are people going to live if you invite 1 billion people into our country? Thats right...the land.
    I never said we ought to invite a billion people to live here, but we could easily sustain that number.




    You can choose to disbelieve if you want, but we have plenty of room. In the map above, you see that most people live on the east coast. Why? Not because the land in New England can sustain more people, but because that's where the first boats landed.

    If you have a billion people, then maybe California starts to resemble New England's current density, Texas starts to resemble California's current density, Colorado starts to resemble Texas' current density....

    You're talking about a little more than doubling the population, but we have from the Atlantic all the way to the Pacific to do it.

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