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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    In theory I am for open borders. However, I just don't see it working if other countries don't open their borders as well.
    Why wouldn't they? More power and money for us, then.

    People are a valuable resource.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Jobs are not infinite. And, most immigrants may be peaceful, that doesn't mean ALL immigrants are peaceful. Try and avoid generalizations?
    Actually, the job market is not fixed, but grows depending on demand. The idea is that we take useful people and don't take the bums.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Yes open your borders to us and let me in already, darn it!
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    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    I think at very least, if someone is willing and able to sustain themselves and provide one or two jobs for other Americans, they should be allowed in. The EB-5 visa (which requires a $1 million business investment plus the hiring of at least 10 staff) is simply unreasonable and impractical. I base the number of staff that I hire on the profitability of my business. If I have to hire 10 people now until I get a citizenship (even if the business can't sustain that many employees), by the time I get it I'll be broke and living off US welfare like my 10 newly unemployed staff members. Why not let me just hire 2 or 3 people, at least until we start to turn a profit, then take things from there? That way the jobs will be sustainable long after I get my citizenship, and I'm still contributing more to the economy than the average American in either scenario.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I think at very least, if someone is willing and able to sustain themselves and provide one or two jobs for other Americans, they should be allowed in. The EB-5 visa (which requires a $1 million business investment plus the hiring of at least 10 staff) is simply unreasonable and impractical. I base the number of staff that I hire on the profitability of my business. If I have to hire 10 people now until I get a citizenship (even if the business can't sustain that many employees), by the time I get it I'll be broke and living off US welfare like my 10 newly unemployed staff members. Why not let me just hire 2 or 3 people, at least until we start to turn a profit, then take things from there? That way the jobs will be sustainable long after I get my citizenship, and I'm still contributing more to the economy than the average American in either scenario.
    We need people like you in this country. This is exactly why I take the position that I do, which is to say that anyone who is a net-contributor should be allowed permanent residency.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    People create jobs. And plus, immigrants are peaceful.
    IMO, you need to do a lot more research on the subject. Most of what you say is fancifulness.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    If we could trade some of our dregs for some people who actually want to do something with their lives...I'd be more willing to increase legal immigration.

    Literally opening the borders would induce way too many security concerns.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.
    I stopped reading after that sentence.

    It is plainly clear that you have no such position to speak from in regards to immigration, nor security for the American people for that matter, given your "profound" opening declaration.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.

    I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.

    Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.

    Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.

    No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
    Way to go, Mr. Grimm! You're right on the money.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why wouldn't they? More power and money for us, then.

    People are a valuable resource.
    It's like the people opposed to immigration don't get that. We are the direct beneficiaries of the brain drain going on in the rest of the world. And I'm not merely talking about the highly educated. I heartily welcome anybody with enough get-up-and-go to make the harrowing journey from gautemala or southern Mexico to come here and do back breaking labor. We need as many of those types of people as we can get!

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