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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    and most calls to open borders are rooted in trust fund babys with no job and no idea of the labor market............
    Good thing no one is suggesting completely open boarders.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Do you actually believe there are islamic terrorists in Mexico?
    They can come through. It makes logical sense. Google it

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    But in aggregate, the unemployment rate has not risen.
    Aggregate isn't the only thing that matters, you seem not to understand that.

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    He's not saying we should ignore them, he's saying HE won't give them preferential treatment when it comes to employment just because they're Americans.

    If you think about it, a lot of Americans get useless degrees that don't help them much later in life. The man has a point.
    Great, let's not try making the work force more educated. Let's let ignorance and stupidity run rampant. I mean, sheesh. Bit of a slippery slope, there, but damn.

    Sure, people get degrees that don't help them much later in life, but did you think they maybe learned something that influenced their decision to pursue a job elsewhere? For instance, an Economics major may not become an Economist, he may become a Financial analyst. That's not "directly related to his major" but his major certain can help his performance / behavior.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    But in aggregate, the unemployment rate has not risen.
    In aggregate, the temperatures in Missouri should support orange tress just like Florida. That doesn't stop them all from dying in the first hard freeze.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We are a country of immigrants.
    We have never been a country of immigrants. That's a myth. The native born have always been the majority.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why should Americans be entitled to such special treatment? If someone is smarter, hungrier, harder working, then they should be able to come in to this country and take the job. That's what keeps us on top.

    We are a country of immigrants.
    We are a country of LEGAL immigrants not illegal immigrants if someone wants to come here, they do it legally.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    We have never been a country of immigrants. That's a myth. The native born have always been the majority.
    Tell that to the American Indians.


    But, in later times, I agree.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.

    I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.

    Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.

    Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.

    No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
    Quite possibly the nuttiest thing I have ever read in this forum.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Tell that to the American Indians.


    But, in later times, I agree.
    When the first Europeans arrived in America, the North American Indians out numbered them. At the time the American Indian was native born. At no time in America's history have immigrants ever out numbered the native born. Immigrants have always been less than 10 % of the population. The vast majority of the colonist during the American Revolution were native born. I believe every signature on the Declaration of Independence was native born except for one or two.

    My username "APACHERAT" has nothing to do with AH-64 Apache helicopters. I'm a Marine and Marines don't fly the AH-64. I picked this username back in 1996 when C-Span had a community forum. The reason was because I lived on the "Rez" for more than a few years. In fact two different reservations. Most American Indians (Native Americans) are not big fans or followers of the AIM (American Indian Movement) The AIM is nothing more than a radical leftist movement.

    Most educated and knowledgeable Indians are aware that before the arrival of Europeans that their ancestors had one foot still in the stone age. There was no horses, beef (cattle) chickens, beer and whisky, or toilet paper.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No country has infinite resources able to sustain infinite population numbers. Certainly the USA doesn't. The people of the US have the right to expect its government to know who has come into our country, why they have come here, and where they are located. It doesn't know any of that about people who come here illegally. Starting with Reagan's amnesty in the 1980s (which I supported at the time), illegal immigration doubles everytime a president even whispers that word. In California alone, 70 hospitals and medical facilities have been forced to close because the enormous burden of providing "free" OB/GYN care to illegals... while being forbidden by law from even inquiring about their legal status. This is unacceptable.

    And brings me to my next thought. We should amend the constitution to rescind the automatic citizenship rule. Made sense when we were nation-building in the 1800's and early 1900's (when nearly all immigrants came through Ellis Island and were processed). Does not make sense now, especially when "anchor babies" (yes, I know some people get uppity about the term, but that's exactly what it is) encourage illegals to give birth here to American citizens, which are then immediately afforded access to entitlements... otherwise known as taxpayer money. I'd rewrite the law to state that at least one biological parent must already be a citizen, by birth or naturalization.

    Yes, we need to make it much easier for productive foreign nationals to enter the US legally, so they can work, pay taxes, contribute to the country. I'm all in favor of that. But first we need to control the borders and keep track of who is inside our own country.
    I hadn't thought about it until reading your post, but I agree with you about rewriting the law. "Anchor babies" are creating a real crisis in hospitals in smaller communities.

    As are you, I'm eager for those who will be productive citizens to have their chance. Totally. But they have to go through the same process that other immigrants have, and those who are here illegally need to be sent back. If they want to become citizens, they can then stand at the back of the line.

    Linked from Drudge: Illegal immigrant charged with intoxication manslaughter in Harris County deputy

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