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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I still don't understand why some people are suggesting that all immigration be halted. Like I said, I want to live there, I can take care of myself, and I don't mind opening another business to employ a few people if the market conditions are right for it. Why shouldn't I be allowed in? I have a slightly dodgy haircut, but apart from that there is nothing defective about me. I believe in peace, love, and being nice to people. What's the big deal?

    I also still think my "citizenship trade" is a good idea. You have lots of socialists who would be very happy in England, and I think I'd be happier in America, so why can't we be allowed to just trade places? Everyone would win out of it.

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    There is something called legal citizenship. I'm all for allowing more people to come in here legally, but I am definitely not for allowing our laws on the books to go unenforced.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You really think we'll figure out they came through Mexico? LOL! I think you give us too much credit.
    They would be stupid to take that risk.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They would be stupid to take that risk.
    They take risks all the time. That's what their customers them pay so much to do.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, but nobody cares about another gardener, but they know damn well that if they smuggle a terrorist they will have the full attention of the USA. Goodbye lucrative drug business. That's a very poor business decision.
    I mentioned more research...

    Congressional report ties terrorists to Mexican drug cartels | The Daily Caller

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Mantenlo prendido = Keep it turned on.

    Interesting, Grimm

    Wanna explain what that means in the context of this thread?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's called groundwork. If a terrorist is ever smuggled in to the US by the drug cartels, now we can declare war on the drug cartels.

    A congressional report like that is a warning shot.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Mantenlo prendido = Keep it turned on.

    Interesting, Grimm

    Wanna explain what that means in the context of this thread?
    Keep it lit, like a fire.

    I picked that as my sig line because it matches my avatar. I'm also fascinated by fire in general. It's both constructive and destructive at the same time. Kind of like the flame doing the peace sign.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's called groundwork. If a terrorist is ever smuggled in to the US by the drug cartels, now we can declare war on the drug cartels.

    A congressional report like that is a warning shot.
    "She said "Iranian agents and members of Hezbollah" are thought to be learning Spanish in Hugo Chavez-run Venezuela before trying to obtain false documents to enter the United States as purported Mexicans."

    Read more: Congresswoman Raises Red Flag on Hezbollah-Cartel Nexus on U.S. Border | Fox News

    Can you tell the difference?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    "She said "Iranian agents and members of Hezbollah" are thought to be learning Spanish in Hugo Chavez-run Venezuela before trying to obtain false documents to enter the United States as purported Mexicans."

    Read more: Congresswoman Raises Red Flag on Hezbollah-Cartel Nexus on U.S. Border | Fox News

    Can you tell the difference?
    Between a terrorist and an Iranian agent? Big difference.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.

    I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.

    Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.

    Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.

    No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
    First, the government involvement in order to perform background checks (for criminal activity), verification of valid employment (not the bs of just saying they have a job), making sure they are paying taxes as an employee should, would far exceed what exists now in rounding people up after the fact, and attempting to prevent new illegal immigrants.

    Second, not all illegal immigrants are coming from the south. Russians, Uzbekistanis, Jamaicans, Asians are coming on assorted Visas just to get here, and finding employment and staying long past the expiration of those Visas.

    Illegal is the key here. I don't care where they come from, as long as they follow proper channels, such as a close family member did. Took 6 months to do so, but they did it the right way.
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