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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    No country has infinite resources able to sustain infinite population numbers. Certainly the USA doesn't. The people of the US have the right to expect its government to know who has come into our country, why they have come here, and where they are located. It doesn't know any of that about people who come here illegally. Starting with Reagan's amnesty in the 1980s (which I supported at the time), illegal immigration doubles everytime a president even whispers that word. In California alone, 70 hospitals and medical facilities have been forced to close because the enormous burden of providing "free" OB/GYN care to illegals... while being forbidden by law from even inquiring about their legal status. This is unacceptable.

    And brings me to my next thought. We should amend the constitution to rescind the automatic citizenship rule. Made sense when we were nation-building in the 1800's and early 1900's (when nearly all immigrants came through Ellis Island and were processed). Does not make sense now, especially when "anchor babies" (yes, I know some people get uppity about the term, but that's exactly what it is) encourage illegals to give birth here to American citizens, which are then immediately afforded access to entitlements... otherwise known as taxpayer money. I'd rewrite the law to state that at least one biological parent must already be a citizen, by birth or naturalization.

    Yes, we need to make it much easier for productive foreign nationals to enter the US legally, so they can work, pay taxes, contribute to the country. I'm all in favor of that. But first we need to control the borders and keep track of who is inside our own country.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    If my point was so distorted what value would have been added by my using quotes which are a quick cut and paste? And really, I'm not sure I had a point of my own, just reacting to other posts. Thanks for straightening me out.






    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, your point is distorted. None of those posters, that I'm aware of are against immigration and immigrants. One at least comes closest I suppose in calling a moratorium on immigration, but that's not a permanent opposition but a temporary solution to a domestic problem. The rest, you're not even close.

    Oh, and learn to quote. If nothing else, it's a quick cut and paste.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    So you're fine with people losing their job? Because when the unemployment rate rises, that's what happens.
    But in aggregate, the unemployment rate has not risen.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No country has infinite resources able to sustain infinite population numbers. Certainly the USA doesn't. The people of the US have the right to expect its government to know who has come into our country, why they have come here, and where they are located. It doesn't know any of that about people who come here illegally. Starting with Reagan's amnesty in the 1980s (which I supported at the time), illegal immigration doubles everytime a president even whispers that word. In California alone, 70 hospitals and medical facilities have been forced to close because the enormous burden of providing "free" OB/GYN care to illegals... while being forbidden by law from even inquiring about their legal status. This is unacceptable.

    And brings me to my next thought. We should amend the constitution to rescind the automatic citizenship rule. Made sense when we were nation-building in the 1800's and early 1900's (when nearly all immigrants came through Ellis Island and were processed). Does not make sense now, especially when "anchor babies" (yes, I know some people get uppity about the term, but that's exactly what it is) encourage illegals to give birth here to American citizens, which are then immediately afforded access to entitlements... otherwise known as taxpayer money. I'd rewrite the law to state that at least one biological parent must already be a citizen, by birth or naturalization.

    Yes, we need to make it much easier for productive foreign nationals to enter the US legally, so they can work, pay taxes, contribute to the country. I'm all in favor of that. But first we need to control the borders and keep track of who is inside our own country.
    Why do "we," and I use that term loosely, need that level of control? Why does everything need to be so centralized?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And there we go, care to go for the trifecta and offer up some Godwin?
    How's that?

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Yeah, let's just ignore those people that go on to get PhDs and to discover cures for diseases, develop new technologies, etc.
    He's not saying we should ignore them, he's saying HE won't give them preferential treatment when it comes to employment just because they're Americans.

    If you think about it, a lot of Americans get useless degrees that don't help them much later in life. The man has a point.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think that we should have 100% open boarders, but we should have very liberal immigration policies. Immigrants are important to a healthy culture and economy. With immigration we're pretty much right on replacement with our population as well.

    Closed boarders are stupid and harmful to the Republic, most calls to closed boarders are typically rooted in ignorance, emotion, and hysteria.
    and most calls to open borders are rooted in trust fund babys with no job and no idea of the labor market............
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    wooptee **** for you.

    In my youth I watched the textile industry of the South collapse and get sent overseas. I watched as millions of people lost good-paying jobs and ended up working for peanuts, or on welfare, or losing their homes. The economy in many parts of the south has STILL not recovered.


    In 1980 you could make a GOOD living in home construction. Now most of those jobs are taken by illegals and pay miniumum wage and houses STILL cost four times what they cost in 1980.

    Yeah we're winning just great.

    Next we should let those Ph.D engineers in India who make $5,000 a year compete with American engineers accustomed to making $100,000 a year or more...
    I bet if that happened with every profession that required a costly degree I bet illegal immigration and work visa programs would be halted.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You just drank a little too much of the open borders koolaid which purports that to be against illegal aliens is to be against immigration and immigrants. It's a lovely meme but entirely false.



    No, nor do we need to. With current law we could refuse pretty much all services to illegals, we do NOT do that now. The IRS could easily report the source and destinations of that income that is taxed and not claimed to the INS for investigation. Currently by law one must identify themselves if they are sending 10K to someone. Adjust that require to cover ANY amount sent to a foreign destination. Levy the fines, levy the fines, levy the fines. Enforce, enforce, enforce.

    We have seen what happens as states start to enforce their laws against illegals - the illegals leave and go to a state that doesn't enforce.



    Honestly don't know. My speculation is that it's a papa knows best move, but there are so many [conspiracy] theories as to why presidents do this (we're not the first to notice) that I find it hard to speculate.
    Pro-illegals tend to make it seem that the only solutions to illegal immigration are build a wall or a mass round up and pretend that those solution are impossible and act as though amnesty is the only option.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    And brings me to my next thought. We should amend the constitution to rescind the automatic citizenship rule. Made sense when we were nation-building in the 1800's and early 1900's (when nearly all immigrants came through Ellis Island and were processed).

    The intent of the 14th was never to grant citizenship to the children of forigners. This is why section 1 of the 14th amendment says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. " instead of "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "

    The 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the dangerous misinterpretation of the birthright citizenship clause - DA King - the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship -
    Before its ratification in 1868, Michigan's Senator Jacob Howard, author of the citizenship clause, made the intent crystal clear to the Senate: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include all other classes of persons."

    Does not make sense now, especially when "anchor babies" (yes, I know some people get uppity about the term, but that's exactly what it is) encourage illegals to give birth here to American citizens, which are then immediately afforded access to entitlements... otherwise known as taxpayer money. I'd rewrite the law to state that at least one biological parent must already be a citizen, by birth or naturalization.
    The anchor baby is the result of part of the Immigration Nationality Act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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