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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And what do you suggest they do, Mr Grim? Starve? Tell a 55yo man with two kids in college, who has worked at the mill for 36 years and doesn't know any other trade that he's got to get with the times... while being unemployed.
    It's sad that some people are out of work, but what has changed? If you take a step back, stop looking at anecdotal evidence, and look at the big picture, you'll see that the unemployment rate today is no higher than it was 50 years ago. It's been pretty flat.

    So that 55 year old man who lost his job at the mill.... his job went to another 55 year old man who had been looking for work. It's a zero-sum game.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Likewise if instead of invading our country illegally the last 50 years, the illegals had stayed in their host country and put in the work perhaps their host countries wouldn't be such ****holes.
    Heads up.... your xenophobia is showing.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    oh my goodness hell has frozen over i agree with Peter Grimm.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Is a dollar today worth $4 1980USD?

    It's lost a lot of value but not that much. And you're not taking into account that concrete masons were making $10-20/hr in 1980 and now get paid 7/hr in many cases, and the dollar devaluation THERE. So if labor costs (always a big chunk of expenses) have gone down so much, why are houses priced beyond the reach of nearly half the populace?
    Maybe concrete masonry isn't really worth 20 bucks an hour? I call that a market correction.

    Why should I have to overpay someone for the value of their labor? Why is that sense of entitlement acceptable?

    If you want to be paid 20 bucks an hour, provide a service that's worth 20 bucks an hour.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Maybe concrete masonry isn't really worth 20 bucks an hour?

    Why should I have to overpay someone for the value of their labor? Why is that sense of entitlement acceptable?

    If you want to be paid 20 bucks an hour, provide a service that's worth 20 bucks an hour.


    Fine. Your pay will now be lowered to the same pay of a person doing the same job in Bangaladesh. Happy? Good luck finding a cardboard box to live in cuz you DAMN sure won't be able to buy a house...

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Rome of the late empire was hardly democratic.
    I'm not having this discussion with a Christian propagandist.........................

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's sad that some people are out of work, but what has changed? If you take a step back, stop looking at anecdotal evidence, and look at the big picture, you'll see that the unemployment rate today is no higher than it was 50 years ago. It's been pretty flat.

    So that 55 year old man who lost his job at the mill.... his job went to another 55 year old man who had been looking for work. It's a zero-sum game.

    His job went to a 55yo man IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DAMMIT!

    If you dont' give a flying **** about your fellow americans just say so.



    I'd like to see if you're so frigging happy when it is YOUR OX BEING GORED.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    No kool-aid involved. These are comments from this thread alone. Do you see why I said what I did?


    Next we should let those Ph.D engineers in India who make $5,000 a year compete with American engineers accustomed to making $100,000 a year or more...

    Have you even heard of drug cartels? Islamic terrorists?
    Under 'king' obama the borders are virtually open.
    No, no, and NO.
    Decrease legal immigration, then resume at a slow pace.

    t's our country, we ought to come first. If these people are so hungry for success, why can't they stay where they are and make it there?

    Zero USA immigration
    Deport all current foreign criminals
    it is 100% ILLEGAL for any foreigner to work in USA
    All USA tech at collages is a national security concern, all foreigners are banned from USA education.
    you will remember that 10+ people building the CHina bomb were educated in USA, besides the current crop stealing our jobs.


    That or USA CITIZENSHIP is meaning less.

    oh, and enforce SECTION 274 of the INA to jail all the traitors that support "open borders" for supporting and encouraging
    illegals in USA.

    When e US CITIZENS can get a job in mexico, japan, CHina, and all the other places. THEN you can have your BS non-existant nation state.

    But see when I was in Mexico, they deported the PROSTITUTES that were foreigners and replaced them with Mexicans..............now that is job security

    Becasue it is ILLEGAL for any foreigner to work in mexico at ALL

    No. There should be a moratorium on immigration at least until every American who wants a job or education can get one. There should be no more work or student visas issued until we have full employment for our young people (~18-25) who are suffering the most from our current economic predicament.



    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You just drank a little too much of the open borders koolaid which purports that to be against illegal aliens is to be against immigration and immigrants. It's a lovely meme but entirely false.



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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    His job went to a 55yo man IN ANOTHER COUNTRY DAMMIT!

    If you dont' give a flying **** about your fellow americans just say so.



    I'd like to see if you're so frigging happy when it is YOUR OX BEING GORED.

    No, his job went to another American. That's why the unemployment rate hasn't gone up.

    But, a human being is a human being. I don't value an American any higher than I value a Mexican or a Kenyan or a Russian. A person is a person.

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    Re: Should we open the borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No, his job went to another American. That's why the unemployment rate hasn't gone up.

    But, a human being is a human being. I don't value an American any higher than I value a Mexican or a Kenyan or a Russian. A person is a person.



    No, HIS JOB WENT TO A PERSON IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, THAT IS WHAT OUTSOURCED MEANS.


    I'm so happy for you that you're a Citizen Of The World now.... I guess we can just shut our government down and let the UN run our lives, huh? If we don't give a **** about protecting American interests then we damn sure don't need our own personal government!

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