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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    I guess "sambo" isn't a racist term in Sweden.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In Scandinavia, hardly anyone gets married anymore. What is the point? If you love someone, you can live with them. In Sweden, they call this "sambo."

    There was a time when pretty much everyone agreed on the definition of marriage... so it worked. Marriage was between a man and a woman, it was a sacred bond, and divorce was an unthinkable stigma. Slowly, for better or for worse, in sickness and in health.... our perceptions have changed.

    Now, there is all this fussing and fighting, hooting and hollering over what marriage ought to be, who ought to be allowed to marry whom, etc.

    So I say like the ever forward-thinking and practical Swedes: What's the point?

    Government shouldn't need to be involved in marriage. For those who want to get married and have a ceremony and wear the pretty dress, you can do so. Go to your church and get married, or your mosque, or your temple, or your favorite casino with a midget elvis impersonator holding the proceedings.... whatever floats your boat.

    Wear your pretty dress, have your day in the sun.

    But get rid of marriage as a legal status. It serves no purpose except to make society fight over nothing.
    no thanks Im very found of the approx 1200 rights and protection the legal contract offers some that cant be achieved any other way and many not as legally binding.

    This is a non problem in reality because "fighting" isnt a concern, my marriage is non of other peoples business, just like your marriage is none of my business.

    Not to mention if those that are against SSM are actually being HONEST, this would NOT solve the problem. Who cares if government gets out to them, gay marriage will still exists just like it does now, and if its such an EVIL thing then why would they stop fighting against it?

    and why not a public poll? any polls on matters like these that arent public are failures.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Before accusing me of making arguments based on personal feelings, perhaps you should have come to this debate pre-prepared with arguments in favor of removing government from marriage. As you have none ("freedom" is not an argument), then my position is, quite simply, fine.
    The reason I started talking to you in this thread was not to show you the benefits of my position, but to try to get you to tell me why you think my position is based on bigotry. You have not yet done that and in fact you refuse to do so.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The reason I started talking to you in this thread was not to show you the benefits of my position, but to try to get you to tell me why you think my position is based on bigotry. You have not yet done that and in fact you refuse to do so.
    Well, I guess what we have here is a good old fashioned Mexican standoff then. You won't explain the benefits of removing government from marriage, and until you do I feel no real compulsion in proving that your position is based on bigotry, except insofar as this topic only ever rises as a result of gay marriage discussions or gay marriage news stories (and opposition to gay marriage is absolutely rooted in bigotry).

    If we were characters in a Quentin Tarantino movie I guess this is the part where we'd both shoot each other (along with two or three other people for good effect).

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In Scandinavia, hardly anyone gets married anymore. What is the point? If you love someone, you can live with them. In Sweden, they call this "sambo."

    There was a time when pretty much everyone agreed on the definition of marriage... so it worked. Marriage was between a man and a woman, it was a sacred bond, and divorce was an unthinkable stigma. Slowly, for better or for worse, in sickness and in health.... our perceptions have changed.

    Now, there is all this fussing and fighting, hooting and hollering over what marriage ought to be, who ought to be allowed to marry whom, etc.

    So I say like the ever forward-thinking and practical Swedes: What's the point?

    Government shouldn't need to be involved in marriage. For those who want to get married and have a ceremony and wear the pretty dress, you can do so. Go to your church and get married, or your mosque, or your temple, or your favorite casino with a midget elvis impersonator holding the proceedings.... whatever floats your boat.

    Wear your pretty dress, have your day in the sun.

    But get rid of marriage as a legal status. It serves no purpose except to make society fight over nothing.
    Marriage should be treated the same as any other contract. No need to license it. No need to pass laws over it. The extent of government involvement should be only in the divorce courts.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Yes. Yes. A thousand times yes.

    Completely do away with any government interference we know today as "marriage". Remove all tax benefits, and allow for third party arbitrators to iron out divorce details.

    If you want a "husband" or a "wife", then it's a cosmetic title only. This way, you can use the term to your parents and have them not think that you're raising 3 cats with your "life partner".

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    The idea of removing government from marriage is so asinine, so illogical, so clumsy...its proponents so unwilling to make even the smallest attempt at forming a coherent argument in favor of it...that I've now come to believe this proposal was invented purely for sake of trolling me. I don't mean people like me, I mean me...personally.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The idea of removing government from marriage is so asinine, so illogical, so clumsy...its proponents so unwilling to make even the smallest attempt at forming a coherent argument in favor of it...that I've now come to believe this proposal was invented purely for sake of trolling me. I don't mean people like me, I mean me...personally.
    If you can't side with anti-marriage proponents, I guess you'd have to be against SSM. It has to do with that 8-letter word that starts with "e".

    Just funny how some people can show favoritism to a certain class of people, but not others.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    I support ending the legal recognition of marriage (so I can keep at least some of my stuff when my wife realizes my growth curve has taken a downward plunge and runs off to some pot-smoking lesbian hippie retreat where Lady Bic Razors are burned in protest)

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, I guess what we have here is a good old fashioned Mexican standoff then. You won't explain the benefits of removing government from marriage, and until you do I feel no real compulsion in proving that your position is based on bigotry, except insofar as this topic only ever rises as a result of gay marriage discussions or gay marriage news stories (and opposition to gay marriage is absolutely rooted in bigotry).

    If we were characters in a Quentin Tarantino movie I guess this is the part where we'd both shoot each other (along with two or three other people for good effect).
    I will happily explain to you the benefits of removing government from marriage when you provide me with a reason why my position is based on bigotry.

    You will never do that though, will you?

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