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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    ...it is your responsibility to show how they are and why that is unfair when other things aren't.
    No, what I did was post a poll asking whether we should do away with marriage as a legal status, and people have chimed in with their opinions. My opinion, to which I'm entitled, is that marriage should be between a married couple and their church/mosque/temple/elvis impersonator/whatever. I don't think the government should have a role because I think marriage is a personal thing and I don't like the government involved in people's personal affairs.

    That's my core argument. I realize that not everyone takes the libertarian stance that I do, but that's my opinion on the matter nonetheless due to my ideals.

    Now, the tax debate is a side issue. It's an attempt to understand WHY the government would want to be involved in marriage in the first place. The only point I'm trying to make there is that the IRS does give tax write-offs to married people (the only proof I need is that I pay more in taxes than my married siblings).

    Even if you don't believe that and you think the amount of taxes paid is a wash at the end of the day, you can still appreciate that the government knows whether you're married, keeps track of it, and treats you differently as a result.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Without the government other forms of paperwork would be accepted.
    And they would require many more paperwork, whereas one works for everything now. You are suggesting making things less efficient for no good reason, just some people complaining because they believe they are paying more money than married people when it comes to taxes (which isn't true for most).
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No, what I did was post a poll asking whether we should do away with marriage as a legal status, and people have chimed in with their opinions. My opinion, to which I'm entitled, is that marriage should be between a married couple and their church/mosque/temple/elvis impersonator/whatever. I don't think the government should have a role because I think marriage is a personal thing and I don't like the government involved in people's personal affairs.

    That's my core argument. I realize that not everyone takes the libertarian stance that I do, but that's my opinion on the matter nonetheless due to my ideals.

    Now, the tax debate is a side issue. It's an attempt to understand WHY the government would want to be involved in marriage in the first place. The only point I'm trying to make there is that the IRS does give tax write-offs to married people (the only proof I need is that I pay more in taxes than my married siblings).

    Even if you don't believe that and you think the amount of taxes paid is a wash at the end of the day, you can still appreciate that the government knows whether you're married, keeps track of it, and treats you differently as a result.
    I'm willing to bet you and your siblings do not make the same amount of money to begin with either.

    What you providing is anecdotal evidence that shows nothing. You can't even show that their marriage is what is having them pay less than you (if they are even doing so when fairly compared to your income).

    The government treats married couples differently because two married people are different than one single person. Their keeping track of my marriage benefits me much more than it does the government.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Not necessarily.
    If it takes more than one legal document to cover everything involved in marriage (which it would), then yes, it would require a lot more paperwork. Marriage takes the place of a medical POA and living will, just to name a couple. There are many more.

    Basically whatever same sex couples need now, would be just some of the paperwork all couples would need without marriage.

    Legal Documents to Protect Your Family | Resources | Human Rights Campaign

    That is just a start. Even the military had to come up with a separate document to cover same sex couples when they offer them even a small bit of the benefits that legally married opposite sex couples (such as myself and my husband) receive through them. (This begins in August, but still won't cover many of the more important things as long as DOMA is in place, including living in housing and medical/dental insurance.)
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm willing to bet you and your siblings do not make the same amount of money to begin with either.

    What you providing is anecdotal evidence that shows nothing. You can't even show that their marriage is what is having them pay less than you (if they are even doing so when fairly compared to your income).

    The government treats married couples differently because two married people are different than one single person. Their keeping track of my marriage benefits me much more than it does the government.
    What do you want me to do, post my tax documents online? Sorry, that wouldn't be very smart.

    Two married people should be no different from two single people.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What do you want me to do, post my tax documents online? Sorry, that wouldn't be very smart.

    Two married people should be no different from two single people.
    And for the most part, they aren't. Most just simply average each other's taxes out. One pays more while the other pays less.

    When there is a little bit of taxes saved (which is generally just because of good accounting, not because of the marriage itself) it is because of the fact that they are benefiting society, the same reason we give tax breaks for making a home more energy efficient or going to school or saving money.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What do you want me to do, post my tax documents online? Sorry, that wouldn't be very smart.

    Two married people should be no different from two single people.
    As far as the IRS is concerned, in most cases they're not any different. For some cases it's more costly to be married, for others it's less costly. You should look at the tax tables and run some comparisons before you continue trying to make your case with this.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Honestly if we're really arguing about monetary benefits, and not keeping SSM illegal out of spite (yeah right), could that not be accomplished by just removing the tax or other benefits, while preserving sensible aspects of marriage (hospital visitation, immigration etc)?

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    preserving sensible aspects of marriage (hospital visitation, immigration etc)?
    If I could find myself an American wife, I could bypass the need to invest a million dollars and hire ten full time Americans in order to get a visa to live there. I would also be eligible for citizenship two years earlier. You call that sensible?

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