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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I just don't understand how some people can view marriage as it is now as worse than it would be if there was no "marriage license". It is the most efficient and convenient contract on the planet. One legal paper that takes the place of dozens or more for the vast majority of couples. Saves couples so much money in so many ways for very little cost to the rest of the people. In fact, it benefits other people too. It's a win/win.
    I don't understand it, either. I've always calculated our taxes both ways and it's pretty much the same either way. Sure we get some breaks like insurance and stuff - but obviously that doesn't cost anyone else more money since insurance companies aren't known for charity. All the rest is just common law, most of which has been around for centuries.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    they dont tell you
    that make it legal and protect that joint ownership
    Sure they tell you. That's what this is all about, whether or not they should stop. Governments don't have to make joint ownership legal, it's legal anyway. You and I can buy a house right now and make a contract declaring joint ownership. What you're talking about the financial incentives that the government offers for the joint ownership of property to be between a husband and wife rather than two guys who are just chatting on some internet forums.

    Except then you go on to say that such incentives aren't actually incentives and start being rude to the guy who politely pointed out the obvious fallacy in your logic.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Sure they tell you. That's what this is all about, whether or not they should stop. Governments don't have to make joint ownership legal, it's legal anyway. You and I can buy a house right now and make a contract declaring joint ownership. What you're talking about the financial incentives that the government offers for the joint ownership of property to be between a husband and wife rather than two guys who are just chatting on some internet forums.

    Except then you go on to say that such incentives aren't actually incentives and start being rude to the guy who politely pointed out the obvious fallacy in your logic.
    There are bigger incentives offered the married couple for that joint ownership of the house because they are living together and agreeing to do many more things for each other, not all of which can be given fair monetary value.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    1.)Sure they tell you. That's what this is all about, whether or not they should stop. 2.)Governments don't have to make joint ownership legal, it's legal anyway.
    3.)You and I can buy a house right now and make a contract declaring joint ownership.
    4.)What you're talking about the financial incentives that the government offers for the joint ownership of property to be between a husband and wife rather than two guys who are just chatting on some internet forums.
    5.) Except then you go on to say that such incentives aren't actually incentives and start being rude to the guy who politely pointed out the obvious fallacy in your logic.
    1.) no they factually do not
    2.) they protect it, without government its not legal in a basic sense
    3.) yes we can and government will protect that legal contract
    4.) nope im not thats what you guessed, i never even mentioned it
    5.) and yet there was no fallacy, you assumed wrong and argued somethign never mentioned you made it up in your head, nor was i rude to you anything else you want to make up?

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are bigger incentives offered the married couple for that joint ownership of the house because they are living together and agreeing to do many more things for each other, not all of which can be given fair monetary value.
    Natural incentives and artificially created government incentives are entirely separate issues. Furthermore, you seem to be suggesting that people can't gain the benefits of living together without getting married (or even jointly owning the property). That's just flat out incorrect.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no they factually do not
    2.) they protect it, without government its not legal in a basic sense
    3.) yes we can and government will protect that legal contract
    4.) nope im not thats what you guessed never even mentioned it
    5.) and yet there was no fallacy, you assumed wrong and argued somethign never mentioned you made it up in your head, nor was i rude to you

    try again
    Not a single one of those points had anything to do with marriage. The government says if you buy property with your wife, they will give you a tax break, but if you buy it with me you won't. That is proactive offering of artificial economic incentives. It's something the government gives you. With that said, the rest of your points are irrelevant and invalid. You weren't rude to me, you were facetious to the people who responded before me, I found it off putting and not conducive to having an intelligent discussion.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And who decides who constitutes that body?
    They pick the candidates and you vote on their choices. What do you think?

    For someone who often talks of knowing law you don't seem to - unless you're calling civil court "the government" as well.
    It's a government contract. Who do you think writes the terms of that contract?

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Not a single one of those points had anything to do with marriage.
    1.)The government says if you buy property with your wife, they will give you a tax break, but if you buy it with me you won't. That is proactive offering of artificial economic incentives. It's something the government gives you. With that said, the rest of your points are irrelevant and invalid. You weren't rude to me, you were facetious to the people who responded before me, I found it off putting and not conducive to having an intelligent discussion.
    you like to just make up stuff as you go dont you?
    what are you actually trying to argue or are you just gonna jump around making random points people arent saying?

    make some more random points see where it gets you?

    fact is government protects your contract and they dont tell you who you can jointly own a house with that is factually wrong that is the fact i pointed out and nothing you said as changed that fact

    you finding it off putting that you were wrong is your own issue, it will probably continue to hinder you from having intelligent discussions if you cant stay on topic and be factual.

    government does NOT tell you who you can own a house with
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Natural incentives and artificially created government incentives are entirely separate issues. Furthermore, you seem to be suggesting that people can't gain the benefits of living together without getting married (or even jointly owning the property). That's just flat out incorrect.
    Tenancy by the Entirety. It says that spouses cannot sell their interests in a jointly owned property which is owned under a "Tenancy of the Entirety", which is only available to legally married couples. Right of survivorship also exists under this which does not allow a spouse to leave jointly owned property of the couple to anyone else. This only applies to legal spouses.

    There are many benefits that are only available under a legal marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Tenancy by the Entirety. It says that spouses cannot sell their interests in a jointly owned property which is owned under a "Tenancy of the Entirety", which is only available to legally married couples. Right of survivorship also exists under this which does not allow a spouse to leave jointly owned property of the couple to anyone else. This only applies to legal spouses.

    There are many benefits that are only available under a legal marriage.
    All of which can be achieved by unmarried couples by using power of attorney and private contracts. The only benefits that are unique to marriage are artificially created financial incentives (and some stuff to do with removing obligations to testifying against each other, depending on where you're from).

    @Agent J, whatever, it's not worth it. When people say stuff you disagree with you just start saying you win and they lose like it's some kind of factual declaration. The government doesn't state who you can own a house with, but it does state who you get financial benefits for owning a house with. Your insistence that artificial financial incentives aren't actually incentives just makes no sense at all, no matter how many times you repeat the word "factually" and tell people you won the argument.

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