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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    That's the key word. The government has created a situation in which I am forced to use their services. If their services did not exist, I wouldn't require them.
    You would require something that would be much more complicated and require a lot more paperwork.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    All state very clearly that some marriages benefit people, others harm them, and most pretty much pay the same either way. Maybe you should read those.

    I didn't ask for vague statements of what might happen. I asked you to prove that you pay/subsidize marriages through numbers, and all the variables, including welfare, taxes, civil suits with and without marriage (real life, not your "ideal"), medical/dental insurance (such as for government employees) and how offering it or not to spouses, significant others, or none would affect our real life healthcare costs, and anything else that marriage affects within the laws and especially our country's finances. I realize this is huge, which is why I ask for it, because I believe you aren't considering everything marriage actually does. You don't even realize that most of those "tax benefits" are balanced by others who pay extra taxes because of their marriages, and most don't see a difference at all from marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Let's say all the revenue the government needs to operate is a pizza. Every person puts in a little slice, and you end up with a whole pizza.

    Well, if someone is putting a little smaller slice in because they're married, that means someone else is going to have to put in a little bit more, so we end up with the whole pizza.

    Let me know if I need to slow down.
    You haven't proven that any couple, let alone most couples, are putting in a "smaller slice" by being married. You provided nothing but your own unsubstantiated assumptions.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are. The government is the people in the US. I realize that some don't want to accept this, but it is true.
    I don't accept it because its not true. The government is the body the rules over the people.

    But without getting into that, we need marriage. It is an efficient contract. The government really has very little say over it at all.
    Is is their contract and such it follows their terms. Unless you go with religious marriage the government is in complete control over the situation.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't accept it because its not true. The government is the body the rules over the people.
    And who decides who constitutes that body?


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is is their contract and such it follows their terms. Unless you go with religious marriage the government is in complete control over the situation.
    For someone who often talks of knowing law you don't seem to - unless you're calling civil court "the government" as well.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, that's very easy to quantify. It's the total amount of the tax write-offs.
    No it's not. Plenty of things people can writeoff on their taxes, such as children, schooling, donations, energy efficiency, losses, and lots of other things. And you haven't proven that most married people pay less in taxes because of marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Because I still have to go to the government in order to "validate" the marriage for insurance purposes, legal purposes, etc. Why do I have to explain this to you? Are you seriously unable to understand why/how the government is still involved? What is wrong with you?
    You can find many companies that will provide insurance for your significant other without legal marriage. You can also get legal paperwork to have to cover "legal issues". How else would you do this without the government? Wouldn't you still need paperwork? Pretty sure you would and it would be a lot more paperwork that you would need.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't accept it because its not true. The government is the body the rules over the people.

    Is is their contract and such it follows their terms. Unless you go with religious marriage the government is in complete control over the situation.
    Really? How does the government control my marriage in a way that they wouldn't if they weren't involved? Do they force couples to divorce? Do they change people to not love the person they are married to? Are they setting up marriages? Are they dictating to couples why they must stay together or when they must get a divorce, related to the personal choices of the couple?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You can find many companies that will provide insurance for your significant other without legal marriage. You can also get legal paperwork to have to cover "legal issues". How else would you do this without the government? Wouldn't you still need paperwork? Pretty sure you would and it would be a lot more paperwork that you would need.
    In fact, my wife and I got automotive insurance as a married couple several years before we were married. We lived together, had two jointly-owned cars, and an understanding insurance agent. That was 1986.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In fact, my wife and I got automotive insurance as a married couple several years before we were married. We lived together, had two jointly-owned cars, and an understanding insurance agent. That was 1986.
    I just don't understand how some people can view marriage as it is now as worse than it would be if there was no "marriage license". It is the most efficient and convenient contract on the planet. One legal paper that takes the place of dozens or more for the vast majority of couples. Saves couples so much money in so many ways for very little cost to the rest of the people. In fact, it benefits other people too. It's a win/win.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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