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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    while im sure there were a few that felt that way forever yes you are right SSM has brought them out. In general MOST but not all people that bring it up are trying to hide how they really feel.


    if very similar to most but not all the dishonest people that argue "traditional marriage", "sanctity of marriage", "religions" etc etc its all BULL**** lol

    why because i dont recall those people making such a big claim amount the MILLIONS of no religious marriages that happen all the time or the millions that dont follow traditions

    its a crock of an argument, a failed strawman that has been destroyed over and over
    You know,it's it's funny,but I kind of miss the days when bigots weren't afraid to state their bigotry.
    At least you knew where you stood with them.
    Nowadays,these bigots try to make themselves to be such great humanitarians in front of you while they are trying to strip away your rights behind your back.

    I'll respect a bigot (like I said,at least you know where you stand with them) before I respect a coward.
    There seems to be quite a number of cowards running around this thread.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    You know,it's it's funny,but I kind of miss the days when bigots weren't afraid to state their bigotry.
    At least you knew where you stood with them.
    Nowadays,these bigots try to make themselves to be such great humanitarians in front of you while they are trying to strip away your rights behind your back.

    I'll respect a bigot (like I said,at least you know where you stand with them) before I respect a coward.
    There seems to be quite a number of cowards running around this thread.
    theres actually some logic in this and i agree

    if one is a true bigot id rather know then them fake it all the time and be a huge coward

    but then there are also those that are ashamed by their bigoted ways, i dont know how to feel about them, if they are HONESTLY ashamed then their may be hope for them.

    My brother was actually like this and still is in ways, he admits that he isnt exactly "gay friendly" but he still supports equal rights, he just doesnt like it that much lol he used to be worse but he is much better now. all it has taken is honest exposure and for him to see with his own eyes that are the stereo types are just that stereotypes and some are flat out lies
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    theres actually some logic in this and i agree

    if one is a true bigot id rather know then them fake it all the time and be a huge coward

    but then there are also those that are ashamed by their bigoted ways, i dont know how to feel about them, if they are HONESTLY ashamed then their may be hope for them.

    My brother was actually like this and still is in ways, he admits that he isnt exactly "gay friendly" but he still supports equal rights, he just doesnt like it that much lol he used to be worse but he is much better now. all it has taken is honest exposure and for him to see with his own eyes that are the stereo types are just that stereotypes and some are flat out lies
    The funny thing is,AJ is that I expect the "government out of marriage" tune to be song by the libertarians ("government out of pretty much everything" it's kind of been their thing for years) but to see so many conservatives all of a sudden act like this is something they have always supported is absolutely freaking hilarious.

    But hey,I'm willing to give these conservatives here that have already posted the benefit of the doubt.
    All they need to do is show us posts here where they came out and said that "government needs to get out of marriage" prior to Washington and Maine voting to allow SSM (November 6 2012) and that will show everyone here (or at least me,since I can't speak for anyone else but myself) that that person isn't totally full of crap.
    That's cool by me.At least that shows some honesty and consistency.
    Two things I highly respect.

    Hey,didn't the guy who wrote this thread join here on December 2011?
    Maybe he can help me find out where he made these sentiments on this forum prior to November 2012,because I seem to have a hard time finding it?

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    You know,it's it's funny,but I kind of miss the days when bigots weren't afraid to state their bigotry.
    At least you knew where you stood with them.
    Nowadays,these bigots try to make themselves to be such great humanitarians in front of you while they are trying to strip away your rights behind your back.

    I'll respect a bigot (like I said,at least you know where you stand with them) before I respect a coward.
    There seems to be quite a number of cowards running around this thread.
    Oh yeah, definitely, the pc bigot is the most pathetic of all. It's like they've been conditioned to politely hate your guts. What's especially hilarious is when they get so defensive at the suggestion that they're prejudiced. Yeahhh, "I'm better than you, shut up and take your civil unions, stay away from our kids, and keep your sexuality to yourself, and *by the way* don't ever call me a bigot!"

    Because this is usually a gradual revelation, at first it may seem like they can be reasoned with. At least with the fred phelps types who are not afraid to reveal right away how they really feel, they quickly go on ignore and that's the end of it.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Christ

    Why does everyone loath marriage so much that they really consider deleting it form human history?

    I want to be married - and live a unified life - and be treated as such per a family and not be classified as single and 'occupying a home' . . . gesus
    Because it serves no purpose besides providing benefits for people for being in a relationship approved by the state. I realize the government feels they should try to encourage a stable environment for kids and encourage the family unit, but it's really not really their job or their place to worry about such a thing.

    However, marriage would not die if the government left the business, but instead people would form their own contracts for their marriages with their own terms or they would do a religious marriage like they can now.

    I consider removing government from marriage a part of the evolution marriage that is well past it time.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Religion does not own marriage. It has existed much longer than any religion now in practice.
    Government does not own marriage either. People own marriage, and as such they should be in charge of it.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And judges shouldn't be getting in the middle of all that henpecking and bickering. Simple. You get what you brought with you. Assets should not be jointly owned anyway.
    And just who the hell are you to tell me my wife and I can't jointly own a house and a car?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have a very simple solution. Everyone takes out what they bring in. Just like if you were living with a roommate - you each have your own assets. If you're going to have joint assets, enter in to a legal contract.
    That's exactly what marriage is, a contract between two people that creates what is essentially a domestic partnership, not too much different from a business partnership except, of course, the goal of the partnership isn't to establish a business.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And just who the hell are you to tell me my wife and I can't jointly own a house and a car?

    That's exactly what marriage is, a contract between two people that creates what is essentially a domestic partnership, not too much different from a business partnership except, of course, the goal of the partnership isn't to establish a business.
    You can jointly own whatever you want. What you shouldn't get is tax writeoffs just for being married or for owning a home together. You should contribute as individuals. Also, if, god forbid, you should ever get divorced, I don't want public money going in to your court costs.

    What I'm really looking for is

    A) Clean contracts
    B) Fair Taxation
    C) An end to the political issue of who can/can't marry whom

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, but I don't want the government quantifying the value of that work.

    The solution is very simple. Enter in to a contractual agreement. In essence, a stay-at-home mom should be paid for her work by her husband. That way, the courts don't need to get involved.

    Also, the idea of joint ownership of assets should be tossed out the window. If you buy a house, it goes under one person's name. When you split up, whoever owns the house gets the house.
    Not everyone wants their world based on capitalism and individual ownership - especially not their home life. If that's what suits you, more power to you but you can leave me and mine out of your little world of micro-accounting.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You can jointly own whatever you want. What you shouldn't get is tax writeoffs just for being married or for owning a home together. You should contribute as individuals. Also, if, god forbid, you should ever get divorced, I don't want public money going in to your court costs.

    What I'm really looking for is

    A) Clean contracts
    B) Fair Taxation
    C) An end to the political issue of who can/can't marry whom
    No, what you want is every home to be internally run like a business and that's not gonna' ever happen.
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