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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not true. The government already has the laws in place for marriage. So if you take them away now, it actually makes the government's job harder when it comes to figuring out marriage disagreements. They would need whole new sets of rules for what to do in each situation and how things are resolved. Marriage makes things more efficient, more streamlined for both the couple and the government. One contract to decide things for the couple and then the couple can decide if they need to use other contracts to tweak the main one to their needs, instead of many, many contracts for everyone with no rules governing how they would work, how insurance would work, how joint ownership would work, how spousal privilege would work, who is more important, family or significant other, when is someone considered more than just a girlfriend/boyfriend and closer to a legal spouse without the paperwork, and so many more things that make the government's job harder.
    I have a very simple solution. Everyone takes out what they bring in. Just like if you were living with a roommate - you each have your own assets. If you're going to have joint assets, enter in to a legal contract.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Yes, marriage should strictly be a religions act.
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It simple now. It would be horrendous without civil marriages like we now have.

    And those same judges would be making civil decisions for those couples that couldn't agree when it comes to them just living together in your "sambo" situation. There would still be many couples who couldn't agree on who got what when they broke up. There would still be many couples who couldn't agree on who got the kids and who paid what. There would be plenty of couples who would need a judge to basically tell them what is fair (even when it isn't for some).

    But there would be even more problems, especially from legally recognized blood relations contesting the validity of the relationship, since there would be no legal marriage.
    And judges shouldn't be getting in the middle of all that henpecking and bickering. Simple. You get what you brought with you. Assets should not be jointly owned anyway.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And judges shouldn't be getting in the middle of all that henpecking and bickering. Simple. You get what you brought with you. Assets should not be jointly owned anyway.
    They're going to be there anyway. There is no way to prevent this. When there is a dispute over who gets what, who owns what, or who gets what say, judges are involved in civil courts. That is why we have civil courts.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have a very simple solution. Everyone takes out what they bring in. Just like if you were living with a roommate - you each have your own assets. If you're going to have joint assets, enter in to a legal contract.
    And how does this get decided? What if one person stayed home to raise the children and take care of the house and the other worked? Now the one who worked wants out and to take everything because their job paid for it? That just get it because they earned it the money, despite being taken care of by the other person?
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Yes, marriage should strictly be a religions act.
    Religion does not own marriage. It has existed much longer than any religion now in practice.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And how does this get decided? What if one person stayed home to raise the children and take care of the house and the other worked? Now the one who worked wants out and to take everything because their job paid for it? That just get it because they earned it the money, despite being taken care of by the other person?
    Yeah, pretty much.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, pretty much.
    So then the rest of us have to take care of that other person because they took care of the one for a good portion of their life without getting paid because people have to share those responsibilities? I don't think that would go over very well with most people. At all. It certainly doesn't work for me. That non-money-earning person was still doing work, taking care of their children, taking care of their home, supporting that other person so they could work to provide monetary support. The non-monetary support still matters though. It cannot simply be dismissed.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So then the rest of us have to take care of that other person because they took care of the one for a good portion of their life without getting paid because people have to share those responsibilities? I don't think that would go over very well with most people. At all. It certainly doesn't work for me. That non-money-earning person was still doing work, taking care of their children, taking care of their home, supporting that other person so they could work to provide monetary support. The non-monetary support still matters though. It cannot simply be dismissed.
    Yeah, but I don't want the government quantifying the value of that work.

    The solution is very simple. Enter in to a contractual agreement. In essence, a stay-at-home mom should be paid for her work by her husband. That way, the courts don't need to get involved.

    Also, the idea of joint ownership of assets should be tossed out the window. If you buy a house, it goes under one person's name. When you split up, whoever owns the house gets the house.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, but I don't want the government quantifying the value of that work.

    The solution is very simple. Enter in to a contractual agreement. In essence, a stay-at-home mom should be paid for her work by her husband. That way, the courts don't need to get involved.

    Also, the idea of joint ownership of assets should be tossed out the window. If you buy a house, it goes under one person's name. When you split up, whoever owns the house gets the house.
    The government is going to do it. People are not going to do this themselves. They will not be able to agree on what value things are, especially not before it happens. You are living in this dream world. It isn't reality.

    Why should it go under only one if both provide money toward the house, as many couples do? That's not right.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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