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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think that if you did research on biological parents who raise children without marriage, you wouldn't find the disparity in stability that you're looking for in regard to this thread.
    Biological vs. non-biological, as well as straight vs non-straight raising of children are all irrelevant and take us into an entirely different debate. What's relevant is that studies find consistent relationship between marriage and relationship stability.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not aware that it's ever been studied. Still, it's fairly self-evident that the more work you assign the government to do, the more resources it will require in order to perform the tasks allocated to it.

    I'm not sure why you would question this.
    Questioning what you think is "self evident" helps you to re-examine your assumptions. It's what friends are for.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why does the government have to play the role of Judge Judy or Jerry Springer and sort out people's messy personal issues?

    No thanks.
    They're going to do that anyway. Civil contract disagreements are handled in the same way that marriage disagreements are, in civil courts. If two family members are fighting over who gets what when someone dies, they go to civil court. If two people who have a contract with each other have a dispute over that contract or want to dissolve that contract but cannot decide how to do so, they go to civil court. And to get divorced, married people go to court (or just file paperwork if they can agree without needing the arbitrator).

    Judge Judy is part of the government. And Jerry Springer exists with or without marriage and is not what our courtrooms commonly become when it comes to marriage disputes/divorce.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think that if you did research on biological parents who raise children without marriage, you wouldn't find the disparity in stability that you're looking for in regard to this thread.
    Actually, you would be wrong. Those bio parents who try to raise children without marriage end up more often than not breaking up before the child is even in school. Some can do it, most can't. If they could, they would probably just get married so they both have more protections when it comes to the child/each other.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Questioning what you think is "self evident" helps you to re-examine your assumptions. It's what friends are for.
    Well, what am I missing here.

    More work to do means there would need to be more people and resources allocated to do that work.

    That, and the sky is blue, and grass tends to be green.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They're going to do that anyway. Civil contract disagreements are handled in the same way that marriage disagreements are, in civil courts. If two family members are fighting over who gets what when someone dies, they go to civil court. If two people who have a contract with each other have a dispute over that contract or want to dissolve that contract but cannot decide how to do so, they go to civil court. And to get divorced, married people go to court (or just file paperwork if they can agree without needing the arbitrator).

    Judge Judy is part of the government. And Jerry Springer exists with or without marriage and is not what our courtrooms commonly become when it comes to marriage disputes/divorce.
    Well that all needs to be simplified. I don't think such decisions should be made by the subjective whims of some nameless, faceless judge.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not aware that it's ever been studied. Still, it's fairly self-evident that the more work you assign the government to do, the more resources it will require in order to perform the tasks allocated to it.

    I'm not sure why you would question this.
    Not true. The government already has the laws in place for marriage. So if you take them away now, it actually makes the government's job harder when it comes to figuring out marriage disagreements. They would need whole new sets of rules for what to do in each situation and how things are resolved. Marriage makes things more efficient, more streamlined for both the couple and the government. One contract to decide things for the couple and then the couple can decide if they need to use other contracts to tweak the main one to their needs, instead of many, many contracts for everyone with no rules governing how they would work, how insurance would work, how joint ownership would work, how spousal privilege would work, who is more important, family or significant other, when is someone considered more than just a girlfriend/boyfriend and closer to a legal spouse without the paperwork, and so many more things that make the government's job harder.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A fish by any other name would be just as rank.

    Just do away with the concept altogether, at least legally. There is no need for the government to track who is coupled with whom.
    There are plenty of reasons for the government to track who is coupled with whom when those people want to be tracked. No one in a marriage was forced by the government to enter that marriage. They volunteer to do so for the legal recognition of the government.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I can't help but notice that the "lets get government out of marriage" sing-a-long here didn't really exist a year ago.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...w-56-61-a.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...-its-time.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...-benefits.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...endum-w47.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...ech-ssm-2.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...riage-now.html

    Quite a posters back here weren't singing that tune last year.

    I wonder what could have happened within a year?

    Sounds suspiciously like a "scorch earth" policy of "if we anti-SSM can't control marriage,then no one should benefit from it".
    Or to be blunt,a dogs attitude of "if you can't screw it or eat it,or piss on it".
    while im sure there were a few that felt that way forever yes you are right SSM has brought them out. In general MOST but not all people that bring it up are trying to hide how they really feel.


    if very similar to most but not all the dishonest people that argue "traditional marriage", "sanctity of marriage", "religions" etc etc its all BULL**** lol

    why because i dont recall those people making such a big claim amount the MILLIONS of no religious marriages that happen all the time or the millions that dont follow traditions

    its a crock of an argument, a failed strawman that has been destroyed over and over
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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well that all needs to be simplified. I don't think such decisions should be made by the subjective whims of some nameless, faceless judge.
    It's simple now. It would be horrendous without civil marriages like we now have. I don't know why you think marriage is some complicated government business now. It really isn't. It is one of the most efficient contracts we have and involves one of the most efficient methods for leaving a contract that we have. It involves a lot more than most contracts, but this would still be true if we were talking about many different smaller, no government involved contracts too, just much more complicated.

    And those same judges would be making civil decisions for those couples that couldn't agree when it comes to them just living together in your "sambo" situation. There would still be many couples who couldn't agree on who got what when they broke up. There would still be many couples who couldn't agree on who got the kids and who paid what. There would be plenty of couples who would need a judge to basically tell them what is fair (even when it isn't for some).

    But there would be even more problems, especially from legally recognized blood relations contesting the validity of the relationship, since there would be no legal marriage.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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