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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    I can't help but notice that the "lets get government out of marriage" sing-a-long here didn't really exist a year ago.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...w-56-61-a.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...-its-time.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...-benefits.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...endum-w47.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...ech-ssm-2.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...riage-now.html

    Quite a posters back here weren't singing that tune last year.

    I wonder what could have happened within a year?

    Sounds suspiciously like a "scorch earth" policy of "if we anti-SSM can't control marriage,then no one should benefit from it".
    Or to be blunt,a dogs attitude of "if you can't screw it or eat it,or piss on it".

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It is perfectly self evident that your position is based on principle over practicality.

    Do you have any citations that show that gigantic government resources are allocated to managing marriages? I've never heard of this and though I suspect you've made it up for the convenience of this debate.
    I'm not aware that it's ever been studied. Still, it's fairly self-evident that the more work you assign the government to do, the more resources it will require in order to perform the tasks allocated to it.

    I'm not sure why you would question this.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As long as there is legal recognition for family at all, we need marriage, at least recognized.

    And marriage does help to protect people. Think about this. What if someone has two wives, and neither knows about the other? It happens now with marriage being tracked. It would be even more easy for someone to do this if marriage was simply whenever someone said they were "married"/wanted to be recognized as a legal spouses. Who gets what? Who gets to make the decisions when it comes to the death of the person living the two lives, the first spouse, the second, the last, the oldest, the youngest? What if a spouse claimed they weren't a "spouse" at all to avoid having to pay debts of the other because they had access to the accounts and wiped the other out, leaving any debts and even the burial/funeral to blood relatives?

    Now, if there is no legal recognition of spouses at all, then you come upon may other problems. Do we make writing up wills and living wills compulsory? Do we force adults to have this paperwork made up for themselves, vice the much simpler "marriage contract"?

    I honestly don't see us doing away with legal recognition of marriage anytime in the near future because it really doesn't cost anything to society and in fact, provides plenty of benefits to society, beyond even that small incoming tax bonus to our public coffers due to marriage. Many people want marriage. It is much more efficient and less paperwork (by a lot) for a contract that covers a lot of things that people want that "special person" in their life to have legal say/privilege to.
    Why does the government have to play the role of Judge Judy or Jerry Springer and sort out people's messy personal issues?

    No thanks.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    ...the government has a state interest in encouraging stable relationships, such as marriage does, the obvious example being tax breaks for married people.
    Why?

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I guess "sambo" isn't a racist term in Sweden.
    No. Sam = Same, Bo = Live

    So "sambo" means "same living," literally.

    It's roughly the same as "cohabitation," but it's a more defined legal status in Scandinavia.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Marriage should be treated the same as any other contract. No need to license it. No need to pass laws over it. The extent of government involvement should be only in the divorce courts.
    That makes way too much sense. We need more bureaucracy and backward-thinking in this country, dammit.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    There's a difference between Swedish society and ours. Unless you're also willing to adopt other Swedish ways it's a false analogy.


    But I'm certainly all in for deleting "marriage" from the law books and changing it to civil union, civil partnership, or whatever. That would also resolve the issue of "We own that word and you can't use it!"
    A fish by any other name would be just as rank.

    Just do away with the concept altogether, at least legally. There is no need for the government to track who is coupled with whom.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    All of which requires laws that determine how a family unit legally operates. The only difference is that they're forgoing a formal marriage ceremony and calling it something different. Which is just the tired old "seperate but equal" argument.
    No, there are quite a few differences between cohabitation (sambo) and marriage.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think government should be out of the marriage business.

    While everyone wants to frame this in terms of gays, who it also REALLY hits is seniors and families. The marriage penalty can be HUGE and prohibitive against marriage because if married the government combines their income in calculations and not if they aren't. For this reason, it can be so costly for couples to marry due to benefits issues they literally dare not do so.

    A young couple we know have three YOUNG children, not much income and dare not remarry. They divorced in part due to huge financial pressures, but are back together - though not married and technically must pay for two different housing situations - because they would lost more than they could withstand in government assistance. One has 1 child, the other has 2. By NOT being married, the government assists both with food stamps, housing and utilities assistance, daycare assistance etc etc. BUT if they marry then the income becomes joint and they lose most benefits.

    In that and in many other ways, the government pays people to divorce and have broken families. It is NOT just about gay rights.
    Couldn't agree more. What a messed up system that is. Government assistance should be doled out per mouth-to-feed. In that case, there are five people, so there needs to be enough given out to provide for five people. It doesn't matter if they're "married" or not.

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    Re: Should we do away with marriage as a legal status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A fish by any other name would be just as rank.

    Just do away with the concept altogether, at least legally. There is no need for the government to track who is coupled with whom.
    The government doesn't have to track anything. I just want the paper on file so if there's any question about who can make decisions for me and all the other "perks" of a domestic contract then my spouse doesn't have to go looking for a piece of 25 year old paper.
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