Gratuitous ad hominem noted.
Yes, unneccessary. My apologies.
Mussolini also continued to call himself a socialist.
No..he originally did. He changed. Radically.
Hilter called himself a centrist.
And as I've pointed out, there is a school of respected thought which maintains that fascism
was centrist, albeit extremist. (The two terms are not exclusive to one another)
So much for cherry picking quotes.
You made the claim that fascism's right-wing character was specifically and solely a result of Stalinist propaganda. Presumably you got this from somewhere (though you have yet to back it up)...which means you ignored other salient quotes...like the ones that predated what you claim Stalin invented. So much for cherry-picking.
The important thing is the policies advocated.
Right. A mixture of right and left, to simplify slightly...a point made again and again, but which you refuse to countenance.
No, this was pretty much a main theme of Stalinist propaganda.
No, as objectively demonstrated, Stalin did not come up with the notion of fascists as "right wing," which was your direct claim. The fascists and their intellectual supporters did.
Also, more to the right or tending to the right isn't the same thing as being on the right. Yes Nazis were more to the right than Communists, but they were still on the left.
You keep saying it, but offer no evidence, except a litany of No True Scotsman fallacies.
Some of us are making the case that these authorities are wrong in their assessments, and we have said why. To just go back and appeal to those authorities is bogus.
The virtual consensus view by serious scholars who have been working on this subject for decades is not absolute proof, I agree; but it's monumentally more than you have offered.
Also, you don't summon and then refute a single point they have made. Did you even read them? Or is your mind made up?
Also, it's completely false that Nazis were drawn from the right. They came from the German left!
Wrong. They came from every point...and the capitalist class were only opposed to him in the beginning, with his inclusive "socialist" rhetoric. Once they realized that he was abolishing unions (a conservative favourite, even now) and was profoundly business-friendly, they eagerly joined ranks. Religious conservatives were happily aligned. Of course, leftists were too, initially....until they bercame the mortal enemy...domestically, I mean, not just with the Soviet situation.
Hitler started in the German Worker's Party which became the National Socialist Workers Party (there are some subtle clues in those names concerning the political ideologies of these organizations)
Right...like The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.
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Only a few conservatives joined them,
Where in the world do you get this stuff? you're going to have to source it.
No thanks, were not talking about neo-Nazis and anyone who writes about them should know that they are not the same as Nazis. Unlike the real Nazis, neo-Nazis don't seem to have any policies other than "get rid of all the non-Whites and gays and everything will be fine."
I'm not arguing that they're not inclined to simpleton's hate. I'm saying that they are broadly conservative....even as they presumably support a few lefty shibboleths, as fascists and their offshoots always do.
And because that's part of the nature of fascists, you choose to latch onto one aspect and ignore the other. Why?
Like many consensus views the view that Nazis were on the right is simply wrong. Anyone who examines the question fairly can see it.
You're dismissing a lot of scholarship--all of it "unfair," a view approaching conspiracy theory. And yet, I daresay you haven't even read, much less thought seriously about any of it.
And you're so far not offering any sources whatsoever....even though you've plainly read some things, as you are not simply reciting your own insights. (I know...because I've had precisely this debate with others, who also tend to be remiss about stating
from where they got their information.)
Leftists recoil from the idea that the Nazis were on the left,
Uh, so do the right-wingers who make the argument you're making.
But there's a distinction: I offer the uncontroversial, easily-demonstrated view that fascism indeed was made up of leftist politics, in concert with its rightwing politics.
You grant no such leeway.
So I think your recoil is sharper and more reflexive on this matter than is my own.